# Is Global Warming actually Good? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571 "2014-05-03T09:54:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/61 "2014-05-05T02:26:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You need to look at a decade at least (and many make the point that other forces can mask the warming that is taking place for more years than that) > > [Home Page | Center for Science Education](http://www.eo.ucar.edu/basics/) But hadn’t you just finished saying this? by GIGObuster: “_Regarding one of the questions from the OP, it is clear that there has been even less rain and the fire season is starting early. Just like scientists predicted what we would see in the South west._” Your confirmation bias is astounding. If it’s in the direction of AGW, it’s “just like scientists predicted.” If it’s not, it’s “weather.” Or maybe what scientists would have predicted as consistent with AGW had they though about it (like the AGW-induced polar vortex in turn inducing the coldest winter on record for much of North America). Here’s a thought: AGW induced climate change is not falsifiable for you. It literally would not matter if we returned to Snowball Earth. You’d be saying, “I told you so. Predicted it all along.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/62 "2014-05-05T02:42:00Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > But hadn’t you just finished saying this? > by GIGObuster: > “_Regarding one of the questions from the OP, it is clear that there has been even less rain and the fire season is starting early. Just like scientists predicted what we would see in the South west._” > > Your confirmation bias is astounding. No, that is what the OP requested, that you are attempting to get to other subjects is really tiresome indeed. And what I quoted was from the latest climate reports, not what I claim, if you want to continue making the point that they are into a conspiracy I think you need to drop it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/63 "2014-05-05T02:59:27Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > Here’s a thought: AGW induced climate change is not falsifiable for you. > > It literally would not matter if we returned to Snowball Earth. You’d be saying, “I told you so. Predicted it all along.” :dubious: Here is a thought: you only demonstrated to all that you do not pay attention, more than once before I pointed to what Gavin Schmidt at NASA reported, if we could see the temperature of the earth dropping to the levels seen before the 80’s-90s-2000’s, and remain there for a decade at least then the global warming gases theory that explains the current temperature increase would had to be dropped or revised. But then the problem is that the increase in temperature can not be explained by the natural forces out there alone, only when we add the increase in temperature brought by the increase in CO2 and other global warming gases that we get what see nowadays and confirmation for that has continued to be found repeatedly with observed data and models. [http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/science/models-observed-human-natural-large.jpg](http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/science/models-observed-human-natural-large.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![psikeyhackr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/97f17d/32.png) [@psikeyhackr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psikeyhackr)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/64 "2014-05-05T03:48:17Z")
It may make some places better. But other places will get worse. We are now getting passed 400 ppm of CO2 and it takes years for the effects to be seen and by then the CO2 has gone up more. So the situation is totally unstable. There is no telling how bad things will get for who. Does that mean there will be a real estate boom there in 20 years because of all of the people moving there from worse places? LOL psik ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/65 "2014-05-05T11:57:53Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > [I’m sure there were cycles in the past that were more horrible, and equally sure that my Grandparents walked uphill through 5 miles of deep snow from weekly subzero howling blizzards. Why, during the [url=http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/c20thc/temp1.htm] Marble Bar Heatwave of 1023-1924,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_North_American_cold_wave) my Australian Great Grandparents never even had to use their stove. They just set the food outside til it was cooked. > > On a more serious note, I observe in my own personality that a single really good winter 30 years ago is worth about 5-10 years of memory range for the “used to be” concept. Well not exactly. We also have pictures of the house being covered with snow. With all due respect maybe your biased because your from Australia where while you all get some snow, its not nearly the blizzards we have here in the central US. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/66 "2014-05-06T02:46:15Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well not exactly. We also have pictures of the house being covered with snow. > > With all due respect maybe your biased because your from Australia where while you all get some snow, its not nearly the blizzards we have here in the central US. [Here is Chicago’s historical snowfall.](http://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/chisnow.gif) What kind of snowfall memories you have from the past depends on how old you are. 60s and 70s were fabulous snow decades, but since weather cycles change, those golden snowfall years have gone away with a return in the last couple of decades to what things were like from 1885-1960. I think most areas of the midwest (including Chicago) had a great snow year this past winter. Time to get new photos! ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571/67 "2014-05-06T05:11:29Z")
To be honest it might have only FELT colder in the past. Technology has changed to make staying warmer much easier. Take a houses windows. Years ago it was just a single pane of glass. Now one can have double paned, insulated windows with R factors unheard of. Home furnaces run better and more efficient to. Now compared to those old houses. We used to live in one which had almost no insulation, a crappy furnace, and hence was freezing cold in the winter. Now look at cars. In the old days cars if the heater did work it took a long time to warm up but now car heaters get going much faster. Hence, nowadays alot of kids hardly go thru the trouble of putting on a coat if they are going anywhere. Clothing is also better insulated with material like Thinsulate now. A friend of mine rides his motorcycle year around thanks to an electrical powered heated jacket. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-actually-good/687571.md?page=3)