# Is God real? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750 "2013-01-01T15:49:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/41 "2013-01-01T21:28:02Z")
> [@diggerwam](#): > > No. But faith exists and that’s what is really important to those that have it. Yes, and cancer is also really important to those that have it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/42 "2013-01-01T21:33:09Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I believe you have a sock, even never having seen (or smelled!) it. That’s a lot more probable than there being a god. Not when someone is using such a super-vague, nonstandard definition of “God”. It’s like the occasional person who tries to define “God” as natural law; they’ve “proven” that there is a God by warping the term into something completely different. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/43 "2013-01-01T21:35:45Z")
No evidence? What about the universe and all the thigs we don’t know? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/44 "2013-01-01T21:37:47Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > No evidence? What about the universe and all the thigs we don’t know? Are you going to make a god leap and say, “God did it”? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/45 "2013-01-01T21:40:10Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > No evidence? What about the universe and all the thigs we don’t know? [That appears to be a very literal argument from ignorance.](http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/arguing-from-ignorance/) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/46 "2013-01-01T21:41:38Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > No evidence? What about the universe and all the thigs we don’t know? You worship ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/47 "2013-01-01T21:45:46Z")
Your egos have gotten the best of you. Mankind does not even know a measurable amount of all the knowledge to be had about the universe and you are calling me ignorant. Relatively speaking our greatest minds and a cockroach are not too far apart in the area of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/48 "2013-01-01T21:47:17Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > [QUOTE=HoneyBadgerDC] > No evidence? What about the universe and all the thigs we don’t know? Are you going to make a god leap and say, “God did it”? [/QUOTE] No, no; the thigs did it. Some kind of large insect I think. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/49 "2013-01-01T21:48:59Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Your egos have gotten the best of you. Mankind does not even know a measurable amount of all the knowledge to be had about the universe and you are calling me ignorant. Relatively speaking our greatest minds and a cockroach are not too far apart in the area of ignorance. Relative to what-figments of someone’s religiously infected imagination? edited to add: If you have information as to the existence of your god that we do not, please present it. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/50 "2013-01-01T21:50:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Relative to what-figments of someone’s religiously infected imagination? Relative to be all knowing about all things. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/51 "2013-01-01T21:51:28Z")
I am not religious and base my beliefs of what I consider to be pure logic and not ego. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/52 "2013-01-01T21:51:42Z")
> [@Ishmael\_Jankem](#): > > I believe He is. What do you think? “Before the world was, I am.” \ “I yam what I yam” \ Popeye has just as valid a claim. Neither one is given any credence. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/53 "2013-01-01T21:52:24Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Relative to be all knowing about all things. Which means what, exactly? Other than “What sounds vaguely profound but will fit on a bumper sticker?”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/54 "2013-01-01T21:53:26Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > “Before the world was, I am.” \ > > “I yam what I yam” \ > > Popeye has just as valid a claim. Neither one is given any credence. I’ve _seen_ Popeye. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/55 "2013-01-01T21:56:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Which means what, exactly? > Other than “What sounds vaguely profound but will fit on a bumper sticker?”. You know exactly what I am talking about, when man can say he knows all their is to know about matter, energy, space, etc he may then have a right to claim their is no God. The claims of an athiest are beyond grossly premature and purely egotistical in nature. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/56 "2013-01-01T21:58:06Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > You know exactly what I am talking about, when man can say he knows all their is to know about matter, energy, space, etc he may then have a right to claim their is no God. When do we get to claim there are no invisible pink unicorns? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/57 "2013-01-01T21:58:55Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Relative to be all knowing about all things. Well, humankind is certainly not all knowing about all things, but we have learned a hell of a lot more than we used to know in so many areas of knowledge in the last few decades. Archaeology, medicine, science, and the universe you mention, we’ve learned a lot. And the more we learn, the more real truth we find, the further away it pushes us from a fantasy of a god. This is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/58 "2013-01-01T21:59:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ve _seen_ Popeye. And I’ve _read_ Jesus, before the Sanhedrin, in Greek, and Hebrew. Guess what. It has about the same validity as Popeye. Actually, Popeye has more… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/59 "2013-01-01T21:59:54Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Your egos have gotten the best of you. Mankind does not even know a measurable amount of all the knowledge to be had about the universe and you are calling me ignorant. Nobody actually called _you_ ignorant. But saying "there’s lots of stuff we don’t know, so, God!’ is not an argument. That’s a total failure of logic. That’s why I linked to the logical fallacies site. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750/60 "2013-01-01T22:02:11Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > You know exactly what I am talking about, when man can say he knows all their is to know about matter, energy, space, etc he may then have a right to claim their is no God. The claims of an athiest are beyond grossly premature and purely egotistical in nature. Do you believe that there are monsters in your closet when the lights go out? Do you _know_ what your closet contains when you aren’t looking directly into it? As far as atheists being egotistical, we seem to know something you don’t. _The ability to say “I don’t know, yet” when we don’t know something, instead of looking into the darkness and stating as fact “Here there be [del]monsters[/del]God.”_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-god-real/645750.md?page=4)