# Is hate speech really not banned on the boards? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 31, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283 "2015-10-31T20:20:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/242 "2015-11-06T19:26:37Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > There have been dozens of posters on this board who’ve been banned for allowing their pet topics into every single post or series of posts they make. This guy’s scientific racist point of view finds its way into every topic he involves himself with. > . None I can think of. Generally they are Topic banned, but Topic banning comes when you annoy the Moderators, not the posters. I can see a argument for CP to be Topic Banned. But his threads do generate debate and his ideas are roundly debunked. Isnt that better than just banning the debate in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/243 "2015-11-06T19:33:20Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > There have been dozens of posters on this board who’ve been banned for allowing their pet topics into every single post or series of posts they make. This guy’s scientific racist point of view finds its way into every topic he involves himself with. > > For the most ridiculous example: I was actually impressed not to see any of it for quite a few posts in his earlier thread on affirmative action, but then some poster asked a question and there he went making the same tired, racist claims he always does. In other words he hijacked his own thread. > > Now he starts a thread, posts his views, but we’re told to ignore the racist insult right in front of our faces and somehow discuss his idea about affirmative action without reference to his overtly racist ideology. > > That’s over the top. If you’re the moderator and you don’t want a thread hijacked, then don’t blame the people who respond to the content in the OP. Don’t make me responsible for the smooth sailing of his thread by having me ignore what the OP posts. Have the OP take down the thread and rewrite it, or just edit it. Alternatively, you can just address the actual debate, ignoring anyone’s motivation. If you are so upset that you simply must vent, you can start a thread in the Pit. What is so difficult about that? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/244 "2015-11-06T19:38:19Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > There have been dozens of posters on this board who’ve been banned for allowing their pet topics into every single post or series of posts they make. This guy’s scientific racist point of view finds its way into every topic he involves himself with. So far, **Chief Pedant** has started [65 threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=12661945), of which seven appear to be race- and/or IQ-related. The rest are things like “How does Kevin Trudeau make money” or “Attributing a pediatric fever to teething” and some AGW topics. I assume you could respond to his “[Tiger Woods should be disqualified from the Masters](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=688020)” thread without calling him a racist. Why not the others? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/245 "2015-11-06T19:44:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So far, **Chief Pedant** has started [65 threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=12661945), of which seven appear to be race- and/or IQ-related. The rest are things like “How does Kevin Trudeau make money” or “Attributing a pediatric fever to teething” and some AGW topics.n I started _Three_ threads about a certain subject out of _183_, but I was still topic banned. Obviously this made me \*crazy obsessed. \*:rolleyes: But two were in ATMB. :smack: Starting threads in ATMB seems to _really_ annoy the Staff here. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/246 "2015-11-06T19:53:52Z")
Is saying racist things hate speech? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/247 "2015-11-06T20:07:14Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > Is saying racist things hate speech? Maybe you could start a thread and ask. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/248 "2015-11-06T20:15:38Z")
No No Bad Dog. Sorry, wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/249 "2015-11-06T20:18:24Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > Is saying racist things hate speech? See post #2. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/250 "2015-11-06T20:22:22Z")
Well fuck it, nobody wants to address the actual issue I asked about. I just wanted to state how motivation leads people to have these problems with affirmative action. An example of the motivation was clearly there in the OP. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/251 "2015-11-06T20:24:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > See post #2. I understand now. My mistake. Gratuitous, politely stated racism is well within the norms of the board. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/252 "2015-11-06T20:33:25Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I understand now. My mistake. Gratuitous, politely stated racism is well within the norms of the board. My bad. How else will you ever debate and ultimately defeat racism if its not discussed and/or debated? You cannot simply ‘silence’ a subject and pretend that it makes it ‘all better’. You can;'t simply ‘abuse’ or ‘shame’ people that hold ‘wrong’ beliefs and pretend that will make it ‘go away’. You have to be willing to debate, discuss and have open conversations - both to understand why the person might think a certain way and to (hopefully) show them the error in their thinking (if that be the case). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/253 "2015-11-06T20:39:46Z")
nm. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/254 "2015-11-06T20:45:54Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I understand now. I’m not seeing much evidence of that. > [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > Well fuck it, nobody wants to address the actual issue I asked about. I just wanted to state how motivation leads people to have these problems with affirmative action. An example of the motivation was clearly there in the OP. That’s all. Here’s an idea: start a new thread in Great Debates on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/255 "2015-11-06T21:08:08Z")
What didn’t I understand? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/256 "2015-11-06T21:27:37Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > What didn’t I understand? Post #2. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/257 "2015-11-06T22:04:35Z")
No, I get it. Vulgar racism bad. Polite racism not bad. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/258 "2015-11-06T22:57:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “hand wringing” :rolleyes:- yes, **tom** , this tells me _all_ I need to know about whether you’re approaching our opinions with any modicum of respect or actual consideration before deciding, as opposed to pat dismissal and evident annoyance. If I had responded with that phrase the very first time that you had ever raised the issue, you might have had a point. The reverse is true. I did give the issue consideration when you first raised it, we exchanged views on it, and in light of a number of points and the views of multiple posters, including yours, I came to a conclusion that disagreed with yours. Acting, months later, as though I am simply dismissing your views out of hand is nonsense. What I am doing is refraining from going over exactly the same thoughts repeatedly, simply because you did not like the conclusion I reached and insist on raising the same view repeatedly in the hope that you will wear me down. You are welcome to raise the issue as often as you feel necessary, but accusing me of “pat dismissal” of an idea that has been thoroughly chewed over has no basis in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/259 "2015-11-06T23:06:31Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > No, I get it. Vulgar racism bad. Polite racism not bad. Racism racism racism. You tower above us all with your moral reckoning. I now realize I no longer need to read threads here. Just (literally) say the word and my mind is made up for me. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/260 "2015-11-06T23:24:31Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > indeed it would be terrible to let a ouchie word get in the way, any more than a hispanic culture That’s the truth. But hey, we’re just gonna get the silly words replaced there, in case anyone recognizes what they are. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283/261 "2015-11-06T23:30:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “hand wringing” :rolleyes:- yes, **tom** , this tells me _all_ I need to know about whether you’re approaching our opinions with any modicum of respect or actual consideration before deciding, as opposed to pat dismissal and evident annoyance. Actually, I have lost track- exactly what _are_ your demands? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hate-speech-really-not-banned-on-the-boards/736283.md?page=14)