# Is hatred the glue that unites Trump with his supporters? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 9, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684 "2018-10-09T10:23:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/141 "2018-10-12T16:46:38Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Hey **Jim Peebles** , are you planning on answering my questions? I can repeat them for you if you’d like. I’m sure you just missed them, rather than ignoring hard to answer questions because you’re not debating on an intellectually honest level. > > Also, do you think that it is a red flag for Fox News to complain about the media coverage over on CNN without actually linking to CNN’s coverage? For example, I could post a Pit thread saying “ **Jim Peebles** is a horrible racist who said he would love to murder minorities”. I could even have that thread get very popular, if a lot of people who are already inclined to dislike you just believe my allegations. But if, in that thread, I never actually post a link to you saying anything racist – for example, because you never did say anything racist – would that be particularly honest reporting? > > And even if you DID say something racist, if I fail to link to that post, wouldn’t you suspect I have some ulterior motive here? I already said I can’t find the original CNN segment. I cited an article with quotes. Do you want me to post a link to a secondary youtube commentary with video clips? If I am not mistaken, there are 2 objections to my posts here: 1. The radio clip might be a hoax or deceptively edited. 2. No one knows where the original CNN video segment is. I guess I am not really interested in writing a lot on 1 and 2. I see them as examples of the mainstream media stoking a false perception that racism is everywhere. I’d rather give more examples than get into the weeds discussing objections 1 and 2. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/142 "2018-10-12T17:06:58Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I already said I can’t find the original CNN segment. I cited an article with quotes. Do you want me to post a link to a secondary youtube commentary with video clips? Actually, having reviewed your link again, this is an example of your own failure, not Fox News’, because they actually DO provide the original footage. It’s an embedded Twitter video of the discussion. I find it very telling that you passed judgement before watching the original video, though. After watching your video, I have no idea what Fox News is complaining about. CNN is having a panel discussion where they are allowing a number of people to give their opinions. They are claiming that Kanye West is ignorant, because, for example, he spoke about how we need more STEM funding without knowing what STEM is. I don’t feel qualified to pass judgement on how black people choose to use terms for blacks (and by the way, Fox is claiming that they said “The N Word” which they clearly did not do – you can watch your own Mark Dice video for a (much more offensive) breakdown of the difference between the N Word proper and other words that start with N and are used to refer to black people. 1 minute 40 seconds in. > [@](#): > > If I am not mistaken, there are 2 objections to my posts here: > > 1. The radio clip might be a hoax or deceptively edited. > 2. No one knows where the original CNN video segment is. > I guess I am not really interested in writing a lot on 1 and 2. I see them as examples of the mainstream media stoking a false perception that racism is everywhere. I’d rather give more examples than get into the weeds discussing objections 1 and 2. You are mistaken. The questions I wanted you to answer were: 1. **When a report fails to properly cite its sources, it is automatically dubious. This doesn’t mean it is false, but it’s a red flag. Agreed, or disagreed?** This is a one-word answer, you can handle it. Agree? Disagree? It applies to your Mediaite example, but not your Fox News example, since Fox News did post the CNN video – which you clearly didn’t watch. 2. **Do you have an explanation for why Mediaite would include numerous hyperlinks that do not lead to what they claim to lead to?** This is straight-up lying by your first cite. I’d love to hear your justification, or if you agree that lying like this is bad, why you take the article seriously anyways. 3. **Do you disagree with the claim that CBS News’ articles show their intent, and that therefore the fact that they are NOT hiding the race of the victims shows that there is NOT some “Mainstream Media” conspiracy to present the “Twilight Zone” news?** You made a claim – that the Mediaite article showcases bias on the Left. Do you stand by your claim despite the fact that CBS News clearly isn’t trying to hide the race of the perpetrators, when we take in their actions as a whole? 4. **Do you have some evidence for me that every false claim on YouTube posted by an unpopular or controversial figure is immediately taken down?** You claimed that if Mark Dice’s video had no basis, it would have been taken down because he is despised by the Left. I asked for a cite that shows that videos are taken down for no reason other than their anti-Liberal content. Four questions. None of them have to do with the footage being fake or not. Are you going to answer them, or weasel out of a clear response again? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/143 "2018-10-12T17:19:22Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Hey **Jim Peebles** , are you planning on answering my questions? I can repeat them for you if you’d like. I’m sure you just missed them, rather than ignoring hard to answer questions because you’re not debating on an intellectually honest level. Dial it back. This is not appropriate for this forum. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/144 "2018-10-12T17:23:48Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Dial it back. This is not appropriate for this forum. > > [/moderating] That’s fair, and I apologize for my hostile tone. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/145 "2018-10-12T17:24:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Actually, having reviewed your link again, this is an example of your own failure, not Fox News’, because they actually DO provide the original footage. It’s an embedded Twitter video of the discussion. I find it very telling that you passed judgement before watching the original video, though. > > After watching your video, I have no idea what Fox News is complaining about. CNN is having a panel discussion where they are allowing a number of people to give their opinions. They are claiming that Kanye West is ignorant, because, for example, he spoke about how we need more STEM funding without knowing what STEM is. I don’t feel qualified to pass judgement on how black people choose to use terms for blacks (and by the way, Fox is claiming that they said “The N Word” which they clearly did not do – you can watch your own Mark Dice video for a (much more offensive) breakdown of the difference between the N Word proper and other words that start with N and are used to refer to black people. 1 minute 40 seconds in. > > You are mistaken. The questions I wanted you to answer were: > > 1. **When a report fails to properly cite its sources, it is automatically dubious. This doesn’t mean it is false, but it’s a red flag. Agreed, or disagreed?** This is a one-word answer, you can handle it. Agree? Disagree? It applies to your Mediaite example, but not your Fox News example, since Fox News did post the CNN video – which you clearly didn’t watch. > > 2. **Do you have an explanation for why Mediaite would include numerous hyperlinks that do not lead to what they claim to lead to?** This is straight-up lying by your first cite. I’d love to hear your justification, or if you agree that lying like this is bad, why you take the article seriously anyways. > > 3. **Do you disagree with the claim that CBS News’ articles show their intent, and that therefore the fact that they are NOT hiding the race of the victims shows that there is NOT some “Mainstream Media” conspiracy to present the “Twilight Zone” news?** You made a claim – that the Mediaite article showcases bias on the Left. Do you stand by your claim despite the fact that CBS News clearly isn’t trying to hide the race of the perpetrators, when we take in their actions as a whole? > > 4. **Do you have some evidence for me that every false claim on YouTube posted by an unpopular or controversial figure is immediately taken down?** You claimed that if Mark Dice’s video had no basis, it would have been taken down because he is despised by the Left. I asked for a cite that shows that videos are taken down for no reason other than their anti-Liberal content. > > Four questions. None of them have to do with the footage being fake or not. Are you going to answer them, or weasel out of a clear response again? 1. Disagree. Lots of things can point to dubiousness. Bad citations can sometimes, but it is not automatically a red flag. 2. The web is dynamically changing, and the hyperlinks on old articles can break. 3. Some people will only hear about a particular story from one radio blurb. As such, it should be clear on its own. Who knows how this one came to be so deceptive. Maybe we can hire a PI to interview the radio broadcast employees and find an innocent explanation. 4. The issue is whether the clip is a hoax or deceptively edited. Mark Dice’s high profile, and the fact that things are taken down points towards it being real. Without hiring a PI, we won’t know for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/146 "2018-10-12T17:44:59Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > 1. Disagree. Lots of things can point to dubiousness. Bad citations can sometimes, but it is not automatically a red flag. These aren’t “bad citations” in the sense that the author quoted Wikipedia or an unreliable book. These are straight-up dishonest citations. If it doesn’t make you question the honestly of the entire article, is there anything that would? > [@](#): > > 1. The web is dynamically changing, and the hyperlinks on old articles can break. That’s a fair point. However, in my analysis of each of the links, I covered why this makes no sense. For example, the first invalid link, to [CBSRadio.com](http://CBSRadio.com), is to a website that’s never existed. And clearly the author is familiar with the correct website – [CBS News Radio - The Trusted Home for News](http://CBSNews.com/radio) – _because he links to it later in the article._ > [@](#): > > 1. Some people will only hear about a particular story from one radio blurb. As such, it should be clear on its own. Who knows how this one came to be so deceptive. Maybe we can hire a PI to interview the radio broadcast employees and find an innocent explanation. That’s a fair point, but it’s also not the question I asked. Yes, if the audio we’ve heard is accurate to what was broadcast, then it’s misleading. However, we can judge intent based on a person’s pattern of behavior. CBS does not have a pattern of covering up the race of the attackers, because every other example of their coverage of the event does properly state the race of the attackers. We don’t need a PI to determine whether it is likely that this was done with [intent to deceive.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea) We aren’t going to court here – we don’t need “proof beyond reasonable doubt”. We just need to decide whether we will trust the source or not. > [@](#): > > 1. The issue is whether the clip is a hoax or deceptively edited. Mark Dice’s high profile, and the fact that things are taken down points towards it being real. Without hiring a PI, we won’t know for sure. You stating “the fact that things are taken down” means absolutely nothing. Do you have any examples of things being taken down simply because they are untrue? Because the Flat Earth channels I linked are clearly untrue, and also clearly on YouTube. When you go to report a YouTube video to flag it for removal, the following options are available: Sexual content Violent or repulsive content Hateful or abusive content (By the way, I reported Mark’s video under this category due to his little “digression” about how blacks are lying about the N word. I chose the subcategory, “Promotes hatred or violence”.) Harmful dangerous acts Child abuse Promotes terrorism Spam or misleading Infringes my rights Captions issue Of these, the only option that possibly relates to your claim that untrue videos are taken down is “Spam or misleading” which is described as “Content that is massively posted or otherwise misleading in nature”. The subcategories are: Mass advertising Pharmaceutical drugs for sale Misleading text Misleading thumbnail Scams/fraud Clearly, this is meant to target people spamming or advertising false products, not for any untrue claim. This is reinforced by [YouTube’s Community Guidelines page.](https://www.youtube.com/yt/about/policies/#community-guidelines) They explain that the “Spam or misleading” category actually refers to “Spam, misleading metadata, and scams” which you can read about in more detail [here.](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973?hl=en) Note that it’s pretty clear that this rule is meant to remove people who are lying in order to scam you out of money, not just anyone who says something untrue in a YouTube video. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/147 "2018-10-12T17:49:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > **Do you have an explanation for why Mediaite would include numerous hyperlinks that do not lead to what they claim to lead to? When a source acts in this fashion, does it at all lead you to doubt its authenticity?** I have an explanation: The article is 21 months old. Other sites can re-arrange things, move things, take things down…whatever. Links that used to work break. Happens all the time. Mediaite, like most websites, does not re-visit old pages and work to fix broken links. Any large website that tries to do so will quickly find it is the only thing their employees ever do so no one does this. The alternative is to think the website published the article with broken links in order to pretend they had evidence they did not have. Highly unlikely (and if they did try that at a high profile site like this you would expect to be able to find others calling them out on it and we don’t see that). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/148 "2018-10-12T18:03:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I have an explanation: > > The article is 21 months old. Other sites can re-arrange things, move things, take things down…whatever. Links that used to work break. Happens all the time. Mediaite, like most websites, does not re-visit old pages and work to fix broken links. Any large website that tries to do so will quickly find it is the only thing their employees ever do so no one does this. > > The alternative is to think the website published the article with broken links in order to pretend they had evidence they did not have. Highly unlikely (and if they did try that at a high profile site like this you would expect to be able to find others calling them out on it and we don’t see that). 1. Mediaite is not a “high profile” site. It is rarely referenced anywhere else, aside from even smaller right-wing blogs, for good or for ill. I could make the same argument about the original allegations BY Mediaite. CBS is HUGE compared to Mediaite; why didn’t Fox News call them our if they really did air the misleading segment? 2. I’ve already addressed your broken link claim in the very post you quoted. The Reddit post they claim originally broke the story doesn’t appear to exist despite a thorough search on Reddit, that DID turn up references to Mediaite’s article but no original post (why didn’t they link THAT by the way? If it was real, you’d think they could post THAT). The audio clip hosting service they “linked” uses an entirely different format for its URLs. [CBSRadio.com](http://CBSRadio.com) never existed, and the author of the Mediaite article clearly knew that because they linked [CBS News Radio - The Trusted Home for News](http://CBSNews.com/radio) – the correct website – later in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/149 "2018-10-12T18:14:30Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m not sure I follow, where I got what from? If I made a reference to something, it was unintentional. Really? That is even funnier. [Monthy Python](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE), the sketch _Nobody Expects Tha Spanish Inquisition_: “Our main weapons are fear and surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope”. That is so close to what you wrote that I though from memory it was verbatim, now checking it I am even more amazed if you did not know the sketch. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/150 "2018-10-12T18:17:50Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Really? That is even funnier. [Monthy Python](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE), the sketch _Nobody Expects Tha Spanish Inquisition_: “Our main weapons are fear and surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope”. That is so close to what you wrote that I though from memory it was verbatim, now checking it I am even more amazed if you did not know the sketch. I’m familiar with the sketch, but I am still not sure which sentence you’re comparing that too? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/151 "2018-10-12T18:28:59Z")
This is unexpected: I was replying to the fifth post in this thread, by Gyrate. I don’t understand why it came out as a reply to you, something went wrong. Sorry for bothering you, and now I am sure he made a reference to Monty Python. Still think something is funny here. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/152 "2018-10-12T18:53:11Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > 1. Mediaite is not a “high profile” site… They are not super high profile but rank as the [1,088 most visited site](https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mediaite.com) in the US which isn’t shabby. Why the author did what he did I do not know. I am willing to bet all those links worked when he posted the story though. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/153 "2018-10-12T19:28:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They are not super high profile but rank as the [1,088 most visited site](https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mediaite.com) in the US which isn’t shabby. > > Why the author did what he did I do not know. I am willing to bet all those links worked when he posted the story though. The wonderful thing about the internet is that we don’t have to take my word for it, or yours. That’s been my point this whole time. We can do our research. The Wayback Machine shows that [cbsradio.com](http://cbsradio.com) was indeed a valid site until earlier this year. I withdraw my objections to that first link. Although I will point out that the link is titled “A CBS Radio News report” which implies you’re going to the specific news report, not the main page of CBS Radio. It would be as if I created the following post: > [@a hypothetical quote](#): > > [A SDMB post by user Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) implies horrible things about minorities and women and reveals his hidden bias… You can see how my link is deceptive. If I posted something like that as part of a debate, actually arguing that this is proof of your racism, I’d undoubtedly be warned. But that’s a minor issue, compared to the rest of the outright lies on this article. Objection to the first link withdrawn. However, the supposed Reddit post (note that the hyperlink is on the text that reads, "posted the clip on Reddit " thus implying we will be treated to the post itself) doesn’t exist, and the linked Clyp page is revealed by the Way Back Machine to be a hoax: [https://web.archive.org/web/20170515000000\*/https://clyp.it/slitsuox](https://web.archive.org/web/20170515000000*/https://clyp.it/slitsuox) You’ll note that the WayBack machine behaves very differently when used to view a clip that did exist. It tries to load the page, fails to, and takes us to an error page: > **[Flalaski - Disconnected Shaman - Clyp](https://web.archive.org/web/20140515213445/http://clyp.it/jy1j1bpu)** > > Listen to Flalaski - Disconnected Shaman | Discover and share the world of audio. Clyp is a free, simple and fun way to record and share the sounds in your life with... So the “slitsuox” page doesn’t exist, and didn’t exist on Jan 7, 2017 when the article was posted. This isn’t my “opinion”. It’s fact, arrived at by research. Research that you can verify. Do you see the difference between my post (and, for example, the CBS articles posted on their website) and the Mediaite article? I ask you to take nothing on faith. I show my work. Fake news sources don’t do that. All you have to do is check. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/154 "2018-10-12T19:39:50Z")
Again, one would suppose if the creator of that article was pulling a fast one then someone on the internet would have been quick to call him on his misleading and bogus tactics. It has been said if you ever want the right answer to something post something that is wrong on the internet and you will quickly be corrected. The internet it not known for letting things like that slide and Mediaite is visited enough that this guy’s article probably got some views at the time. We can assume that it is highly likely that someone, somewhere, would have pointed out if the links were all bogus and the article a sham. The only other thing you can do is write him and ask. Anything else is speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/155 "2018-10-12T19:55:55Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > We can assume that it is highly likely that someone, somewhere, would have pointed out if the links were all bogus and the article a sham. You’re right – we absolutely can. If only there was some sort of way for people to post their thoughts and reactions to articles on the internet – some sort of… “Comment” section, perhaps? [Oh, wait. There is.](https://image.ibb.co/mToGB9/Screenshot-28.png) [And another one.](https://image.ibb.co/bP7yPU/Screenshot-1.png) The comments section is full of people calling this guy out on his bullshit. You’ll notice that they’re doing this on the day the article came out. EDIT: To be clear – the comment section is EVEN MORE FULL of people who buy the bullshit he’s selling and are eager to gobble it up. But there’s more than a few comments pointing out these issues. The user I linked screenshots of even asks for a link to the actual audio, from CBS, or the Reddit thread, and is hounded away by partisan barking. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/156 "2018-10-12T20:04:52Z")
I looked for the comment section but it wasn’t there…mustn’t have loaded on my first try. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/157 "2018-10-12T20:24:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I looked for the comment section but it wasn’t there…mustn’t have loaded on my first try. > > My bad. No worries, most of the comments were utter trash. As you would expect of a comments section on the internet 😛 finally what I did was spam “load more…” then scroll all the way down and hit “load more…” again, until I had a few thousand comments loaded; then I used Ctrl+F to look for various key words. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/158 "2018-10-15T08:49:41Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > This is unexpected: I was replying to the fifth post in this thread, by Gyrate. I don’t understand why it came out as a reply to you, something went wrong. Sorry for bothering you, and now I am sure he made a reference to Monty Python. Still think something is funny here. Yes, it was a deliberate reference to the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch, posted for the purpose of wry humor. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/159 "2018-10-15T11:15:20Z")
@ **Bullitt** — I have a question for you. > [@septimus](#): > > [ul] > [li] Three women charged Kavanaugh, not just one. Of the three, only one was allowed to testify; one wasn’t even interviewed by the FBI.[/li][li] Male friends of Kavanaugh reported that he got extremely drunk. At least one said he pawed girls uninvited when drunk. Most or all of these witnesses were not even interviewed by the FBI, let alone allowed to testify.[/li][li] IIRC, even Mr. Judge, Kavanaugh’s accomplice in the attempted rape, was never interviewed.[/li][li] Kavanaugh’s tirade opposed not just his accuser and the 1 or 2 Senators who may have facilitated the accusation. It was a general rant, reminiscent of Alex Jones, against all Democrats.[/li][li] According to Wikipedia “Kavanaugh was nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals … in 2003. His confirmation hearings were contentious; they _ **stalled for three years over charges of partisanship** _.”[/li][li] Democrats had no reason to suborn perjury or fabricate. The GOP was going to get a right-winger no matter what; the question was whether the new judge, independent of philosophy, would be competent. Does Kavanaugh strike you as a great jurist in the mold of Scalia?[/li][li] Compare Kavanaugh’s whining with that of Clarence Thomas. Thomas addressed the single witness, who he pretended was lying. Thomas did NOT devolve into a general rant against an entire political party.[/li][li] Kavanaugh’s cross-examination of Klobuchar was disgraceful.[/li][li] Dr. Ford and the other accusers _had no motive whatsoever for lying._ Just the opposite — Ford has overturned her own life, receiving death threats, to perform a public duty.[/li][li] If I were on a jury, I might agree that “reasonable doubt” exists and I must acquit. Not on a jury and as a common sense matter, it is clear to me that the probability of Kavanaugh’s guilt is at least 99%.[/li][li] If someone falsely accused me, I’d lose my temper too. _That’s why nobody would ever consider me for a judgeship._ The accusations against Kavanaugh weren’t even false, but he went on a tirade that should disqualify him for any judgeship.[/li][/ul] > [@Bullitt](#): > > Thanks, **septimus**. Your assertions are so far removed from reality and the conclusions drawn by thousands of competent people, but okay, you’re entitled to your opinion. > [@septimus](#): > > Please itemize. I’d like to know which of my assertions you consider “removed from reality.” (And who, for heaven’s sake, are the “thousands of competent people”?) This was several days ago, but Bullitt didn’t deign to elucidate. @ **Bullitt** — if my counting is correct, I made 11 assertions in the subject post; the 11 assertions are clearly separated by bullet marks. Would you kindly tell us please which of the assertions are “far removed from reality”? Thanks in advance. > [@](#): > > … Kavanaugh’s own hateful and contemptuous behavior was on stark display in the Senate hearing. With the exception of **Mr. Bullitt** obviously, it’s hard to imagine anyone watching this asshole’s performance and still supporting him for a judgeship … _unless the hateful nature is perceived as a plus, not a minus._ > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You and some 2400 law professors. And the ABA. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684/160 "2018-10-15T11:19:14Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > 1. Do you disagree with the claim that CBS News’ articles show their intent, and that therefore the fact that they are NOT hiding the race of the victims shows that there is NOT some “Mainstream Media” conspiracy to present the “Twilight Zone” news? You made a claim – that the Mediaite article showcases bias on the Left. Do you stand by your claim despite the fact that CBS News clearly isn’t trying to hide the race of the perpetrators, when we take in their actions as a whole? > > 1. Some people will only hear about a particular story from one radio blurb. As such, it should be clear on its own. Who knows how this one came to be so deceptive. Maybe we can hire a PI to interview the radio broadcast employees and find an innocent explanation. I’ve not followed your subthread; would the following be a fair summary of the above exchange? : B: The CBS reporting, when viewed in its entirety. is objective, fair and non-racist. JP: Many of us don’t watch CBS; we watch excerpts from CBS on some other source, e.g. FoxNews. It is CBS’s responsibility to add qualifiers to every sentence so that, when Fox runs brief clips, the CBS reporting is still seen to be objective, fair and non-racist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-the-glue-that-unites-trump-with-his-supporters/822684.md?page=9)