# Is hatred towards EV's due to the belief in a apocalyptic future? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752 "2022-06-24T15:45:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/21 "2022-06-24T17:33:07Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > The main thing is that oil companies tell Fox News what to say, and Fox News tells their viewers what to think I think that is a huge part of it. Which car you drive has become partisan. Previously it might have been a bit partisan—domestic vs. foreign, but I rarely heard about that after the 80s. Cars are so global now, that it barely makes any sense. I see plenty of Tundras with MAGA bumper stickers. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > can be rather EVangelical Yeah, that’s why I always tell people my Tesla is modern American muscle car, because it is, in every way except the V8 exhaust rumble. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/22 "2022-06-24T17:33:59Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > They are supported by members of a hated alien religion. I assume you mean environmentalism. Yeah, that’s a biggie. Something those liberals do. > [@DorkVader](#): > > In light of what officially happened today, maybe that last, or, they ain’t christian Did I miss some news? I can’t find anything on Google News or various EV news sources that would apply. ETA: perhaps you mean Roe v Wade being struck down. Don’t know how that applies to EVs, but maybe I’m missing some connection. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/23 "2022-06-24T17:36:15Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s not like there’s a bunch of EV drivers out there emitting a cloud of smug. I perceive otherwise. [Full disclosure: I drive a Prius.] ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/24 "2022-06-24T17:40:27Z")
Well, ok. If we’re using anecdotes, a group of us at work were looking over the parking lot and noticed a couple of Teslas among the ICEs and that turned into an unpleasant half hour of EV bashing and the same debunked factoids (fuel costs more per mile than ICEs, what if it’s cloudy, still burning hydrocarbons to produce the electricity so it’s the same thing, what if you need to drive 1000 miles suddenly, etc) I’m not even sure who owned the cars but just the sight of them set some folks off. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/25 "2022-06-24T17:46:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > > > It’s not like there’s a bunch of EV drivers out there emitting a cloud of smug. > > I perceive otherwise. I do as well on those EV news sites. In both the articles and the comments. > [@](#): > > [Full disclosure: I drive a Prius.] Priuses (Prii?) and other PHEVs are so last decade in EV circles. Only the pure EVs have any cachet. ++Cachet if you own two or more Teslas (Teslae?). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/26 "2022-06-24T17:50:03Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > a group of us at work were looking over the parking lot and noticed a couple of Teslas among the ICEs and that turned into an unpleasant half hour of EV bashing and the same debunked factoids What you’re describing is the hostility of ICE drivers toward EV drivers. What I’m describing is an attitude by EV and hybrid drivers that induces hostility. I’ve never heard of an EV driver being hostile to ICE drivers; only disdainful. > [@dtilque](#): > > PHEVs are so last decade in EV circles. Only the pure EVs have any cachet. Yep. PHEV drivers used to own all of the smug. EV drivers are the Enlightened Ones now. ---
**Author:** ![mixdenny](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mixdenny/32/2962_2.png) [@mixdenny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mixdenny)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/27 "2022-06-24T18:13:04Z")
I love sports cars. I love classic cars. I enjoy the sound of a throbbing V8 and the piercing howl of a Ferrari. I like to be able to gas up anywhere I am. I will never drive an electric car. However. I own three of them. 1946 Marketeer. 1972 Melex. and my personal mobility scooter. I love driving them. I guess I’m bi-fueler. [https://offerup.com/item/detail/409537846](https://offerup.com/item/detail/409537846) > **[Vintage Melex Golf Cart](https://carscoms.com/other/vintage-melex-golf-cart-266470.html)** > > Vintage Melex Golf Cart, good used condition. Great cart to restore or use as is. This cart runs. 36 volt. Some rust as shown on lower front ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/28 "2022-06-24T18:26:01Z")
As Elon Musk slides further to the right, more and more conservatives might come to see EVs as a good thing. If the Cyber Truck comes with a “coal rolling” smoke machine, he’ll be a god. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/29 "2022-06-24T18:26:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Today, there still seems to be a fair amount of animosity from Harley-Davidson riders toward HYKS riders. You forgot to say what HYKS means. This is not helping to Fight Ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/30 "2022-06-24T18:28:27Z")
Honda Yamaha Kawasaki Suzuki I have three of those four in my garage along with one American brand that isn’t HD (well, it was sold through HD and very related). ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/31 "2022-06-24T20:07:00Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > They are supported by members of a hated alien religion. They will obey sharia law. OK, maybe not that last, but you have to think of it in exactly that way. At least that can be remedied by marketing them as a way to stick it to brown people in the Middle East. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/32 "2022-06-24T20:16:33Z")
It has always amazed me how we could never sell “Stop buying oil from those Evil Mideastern Terrorists” as a RW meme. I really think this was perfectly explained upthread and has so far gone unremarked. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > The main thing is that oil companies tell Fox News what to say, and Fox News tells their viewers what to think, so now it’s become a tribalist badge of pride for conservatives to be as pro-gas, anti-climate as possible. Bingo. And every time some false shibboleth is repeated, such as “EV’s burn more fossil fuels than do ICEs”, it becomes easier for the believers to think there’s a conspiracy afoot. And gosh knows those folks _lurve_ them some conspiracy. Clearly all the progressive sheeple have fallen for the false propaganda, not the pure Foxly Truth _I_ believe in. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/33 "2022-06-24T20:19:52Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > No, they don’t like liberal things. And “green” anything is just NWO scaremongering. Yes, and Conservative talk radio, Facebook etc spread many lies about EV. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/34 "2022-06-24T20:42:10Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > As far as post-apocalyptic scenarios go, you’ll probably be able to scavenge solar panels and a transformer as easily as you could hope to obtain chemical fuel. Not for very long; solar panels degrade with use as do batteries, and there is no way a pre-industrial society is going to fabricate either one of them, notwithstanding the massive amount of panel area needed to charge a vehicle to go any significant distance. Not that it matters; after a decade of zero maintenance roads and highways will start becoming dangerous and eventually impassable by on-road vehicles so even you have a stockpile of gasoline or diesel fuel (which will continue to degrade as volatiles evaporate) or convert an engine over to ethanol or methanol, you will find your routes restricted. If you are truly anticipating an apocalyptic collapse of civilization the best mode of transit is to go low tech; horse, donkey, or by foot. Maybe lightweight trains hauled by teams of horses on remaining trackways or canals where those still exist, but for the most part civilization is back to Wagon Train. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/35 "2022-06-24T20:47:56Z")
And why do anti-EV folk have to “coal roll”? I mean, what? “You want clean air? Well, I’ll show you! I’ll make it dirtier, out of spite! And it’s YOUR fault.” I guess these yayhoos don’t realize they breathe the same air? Or do they think clean air doesn’t really exist? It’s a liberal hoax? ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/36 "2022-06-24T20:59:25Z")
I personally don’t have any hatred at all for anyone who wants an EV, but I personally don’t want one myself. I also don’t want to be forced into buying one and buying the necessary equipment to charge it at home. I’ve never met anyone who hates EVs because of some belief in some sort of apocalyptic future, but I’ve met plenty of folks who don’t want to be forced to spend a huge amount of money to end up with something that is in many ways inferior to what I have now. I’m one of those. I don’t want to be forced to fork over a good chunk of my retirement savings for an EV that has neither the range nor the hauling capacity of my truck. I also don’t want to ditch my old Beetle or my other old cars and motorcycles. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Today, there still seems to be a fair amount of animosity from Harley-Davidson riders toward HYKS riders. Speaking as a Harley-Davidson rider, these days it’s mostly just good-natured ribbing. If you ride a crotch-rocket, I’m going to make fun of you. I expect you to do the same in return. At the end of the day though, there’s respect for anyone on two wheels, regardless of what they ride. Admittedly there are some riders who get way too serious about it, but (around here at least) those are the exception and not the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/37 "2022-06-24T21:12:36Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > If you ride a crotch-rocket, I’m going to make fun of you. I expect you to do the same in return. I’d suggest we have a race. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/38 "2022-06-24T21:15:02Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > > > They are supported by members of a hated alien religion. > > I assume you mean environmentalism. Yeah, that’s a biggie. Something those liberals do. No joke, some people once tried to claim that environmentalism was actually a nature-worshipping cult: [Loggers' Suit Alleges Ecological 'Religion' Guides Forest Policy](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-nov-30-mn-38994-story.html) ---
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And it have non-paved sections 🙂 ---
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> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > I also don’t want to be forced into buying one and buying the necessary equipment to charge it at home. So, the hatred towards EV is out of a fear that you will be _forced_ to buy one? (Not saying that _you_ hate EV’s, but you brought up the mindset of someone who does.) A while back, I had a discussion with someone who was complaining that there isn’t an EV that could pull a trailer across country. I pointed out that the car he was driving couldn’t either. It didn’t faze him, he kept ranting about all the things he didn’t think an EV could do (many of which they actually can), that his car wouldn’t be able to do either. But, overall, I think it has to do with the conservative mindset. They seem overly concerned about what other people are doing, even as it doesn’t affect them at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752.md?page=3)