# Is hatred towards EV's due to the belief in a apocalyptic future? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752 "2022-06-24T15:45:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/141 "2022-06-27T17:09:06Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Ok so now you’re saying slowly. How slow, 5, 10, 20 years? I thought '25 was the year being pushed. What was being pushed for the year 2025? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/142 "2022-06-27T17:12:46Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I see it more as when they were pushing CFL, but it wound up being LED’s. BTW, both compact fluorescent bulbs and LED bulbs were being pushed at different times. The CFL bulbs were more efficient than the incandescent bulbs previously used and the LED bulbs were more efficient and longer-lasting than the CFL bulbs. Also, I think LED bulbs were only feasible once a blue LED was invented, which allowed for white light from LEDs. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/143 "2022-06-27T17:19:11Z")
The banning of ICE motors. Looks like it’s been pushed back already to '30. I suspect it’ll keep going further back going like Musk and the hyper loop. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/144 "2022-06-27T17:25:22Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I agree that they are good for electrification, I said that. I just think it would make more sense to do it with overhead power than with a battery on every bus for the reason you state, they follow the same route and we know where they are going. You could have a central efficient power plant for them and trains. As a guy that used to regularly ride an electric bus route powered by overhead lines, that system sucks when there’s an accident, construction work, bad weather, another broken bus on the route, a parade, etc. The bus on overhead power can’t divert, so it either doesn’t run at all or sits and waits for whatever the problem is to be resolved. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/145 "2022-06-27T17:28:41Z")
I think you are kind of rewriting history here, but I guess I should be more specific on my thought because I think we are kind of agree. I’m saying I hate plug- in battery EV’s not EV’s in general. I belive the plug-in battery EV’s are todays CFL, and the hydrogen powered car is the LED. This won’t be able to be done on a 1 to 1 basis so society will have to rethink transportation. I hate the EV craze because it make people think it’ll be the same as it always was but we will just use plug ins. I totally disagree with that and so I’m a plug in EV hater. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/146 "2022-06-27T17:38:19Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > The banning of ICE motors. Looks like it’s been pushed back already to '30. Who is planning on banning them and when was this announced? Certainly not the US. The major auto manufacturers are planning transitions but none of them have a full EV transition planned by 2030. There are plans for increased fuel economy standards for new vehicles (fleet-wide at any rate), but that’s hardly a ban on ICE vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/147 "2022-06-27T17:43:56Z")
To expand on my thoughts, all the interstates will need to be removed. You won’t be traveling any real distance in a personal vehicle so we won’t need them. Some cites are already moving in this direction. Cities will contract and be more densely populated. No more sprawling suburbs, they would turned into farmland again. Airplanes would still be used of course, for long trips. they are highly efficient for what they do. You won’t be flying from LGA to DCA though. I can go on but like I said it’s a societal change. The days of happy motoring, and building our society around that are over. Plug-in EV’s are just way of trying to keep this going. It’s actually conservative to me. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/148 "2022-06-27T17:50:13Z")
Yes now that they’ve seen what they were trying to do was not workable. Look I’m a car guy, I’m 50 years old Cars were everything to my generation and I currently own a 400 hp Mustang GT. I follow this stuff. They were totally talking about banning new sale ICE in 2025 5 years ago. They’ve pushed it back. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/149 "2022-06-27T17:55:11Z")
I’d like to see a cite that anyone in 2017 proposed “banning” the sale of ICE vehicles in 2025. And in any case, even if that were to occur, existing ICE vehicles would still be on the road for a decade or two; the average age of cars today is about eleven years. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/150 "2022-06-27T17:56:22Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > To expand on my thoughts, all the interstates will need to be removed. You won’t be traveling any real distance in a personal vehicle so we won’t need them. Some cites are already moving in this direction. Why will all of the interstates need to be removed? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/151 "2022-06-27T18:01:33Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > They were totally talking about banning new sale ICE in 2025 5 years ago. They’ve pushed it back. Cite? To the best of my knowledge, no outright ban of ICE motors was ever seriously proposed by “they” in the US for 2025 back in 2020, whoever “they” are supposed to be. Certainly not any federal legislation or regulatory agencies. The EU, on the other hand, has it proposed for 2035 but it has not yet passed. Automakers there have considered including their US models as part of this. Individual European nations have more aggressive dates of 2030 planned for new car sales (though not outright bans). Drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions leads to a lot of the misinformation around this topic. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/152 "2022-06-27T18:01:40Z")
You won’t be traveling by car for the distances involved. You’ll take your EV to the train station then get on a 180+ mph electric train to the next major city. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/153 "2022-06-27T18:03:18Z")
New sales, new sales. Not that your existing ICE would be banned, just that you wouldn’t be able to buy a new one. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/154 "2022-06-27T18:05:47Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > You won’t be traveling by car for the distances involved. You’ll take your EV to the train station then get on a 180+ mph electric train to the next major city. Sounds nice, but what are the odds of that actually happening in the US in the next 40 years? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/155 "2022-06-27T18:11:19Z")
That’s why I said social change. They could have started it back in 1971 when I was born and they had the oil crisis. It was known then the oil market was not stable, hell they even knew about smog back then but they did nothing. They could have changed a whole generation but had no vision. I’m old now but I’m under no illusion that the way things are now are the way things have to be. Nope just convert it to plug in EV’s that way you don’t see the damage. 50 years later and still no vision. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/156 "2022-06-27T18:18:01Z")
So you hate electric cars because you want the entirety of the nation’s transportation infrastructure to be completely overhauled in a way that would never happen anyway? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/157 "2022-06-27T18:39:57Z")
Yes, but you are asking for the same thing right. I ask again how much it will cost to install a charger at every parking spot? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/158 "2022-06-27T18:43:19Z")
How much would it cost to add a gas pump to every parking spot? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/159 "2022-06-27T18:48:32Z")
Actually I’ll simplify that. How much do you think it will cost to install chargers for even a quarter of the drivers in the Northeast. And remember it can get really cold, here batteries don’t work so well then. Range decreases. This area is likely to be the new place to be as people flee the desert states due to lack of water and the southern states for many reasons ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752/160 "2022-06-27T18:50:58Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > They were totally talking about banning new sale ICE in 2025 5 years ago. They’ve pushed it back. Been asked already, but who exactly is “they” who talked about banning new sales of ICE in 2025, 5 years ago? You’re full of opinions about “they” and electric vehicles, but short on citations that support these opinions. I provided a citation that showed with facts and figures how the electric grid will be able to support a transition to EV’s, given that every car will not switch to EV’s overnight, or even in 5, 10, 15 years. You have provided “I saw a video”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hatred-towards-evs-due-to-the-belief-in-a-apocalyptic-future/966752.md?page=9)