# Is Hillary Clinton really a frontrunner for the Democratic candidate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 27, 2006, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223 "2006-07-27T05:29:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/81 "2006-07-31T20:11:58Z")
**handsomeharry** , was that orgasm of extra spaces and exclamation points really necessary? It didn’t add anything to your post. [QUOTE=handsomeharry] 2. The planet Earth. The Far Left, by definition, are marginalized, and even if they hate her guts, and want her in a concentration camp and tortured, will slay to get her in the White House over any Republican. [/quote] Great, except that I was asking about the primaries, when the far left is less marginalized. You may have noticed that it’s not just the far left who have problems with this whole Iraq thing. Democrats were more likely to diprove of the war in the first place, so Democratic politicians who supported it will have a larger handicap to overcome. And yeah, I said answers. This is the most controversial issue in the country right now, and obviously it will be to Hillary’s detriment if she can’t figure out how to deal with it. I’ve already explained why I think that is. Do you have anything other than this? > [@](#): > > 30 > MILLION > BUCKS > !!! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/82 "2006-07-31T20:37:10Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] What if McCain looses the Republican nomination, but decided to run as an Independant? [/QUOTE] What makes you think he would ever do that, knowing he would only play a spoiler role? ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/83 "2006-07-31T20:38:20Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Once again, **why?** [/QUOTE] For a start, read [The Character of Hillary Rodham Clinton](http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Clinton-HR/Character.html). Personally, she strikes me as the archetypal fascist authority figure. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/84 "2006-07-31T21:52:06Z")
[QUOTE=mks57] Personally, she strikes me as the archetypal fascist authority figure. [/QUOTE] Damn, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a long time. Can’t we just criticize her for her actual faults instead of blowing them way out of proportion? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/85 "2006-08-01T00:22:29Z")
[QUOTE=mks57] For a start, read [The Character of Hillary Rodham Clinton](http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Clinton-HR/Character.html). [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > We found that Hillary Clinton’s primary MIDC scale elevations occurred as moderate loadings on the “Ambitious” and “Dominant” dimensions, with a more modest, subsidiary elevation on the “Conscientious” dimension. The Ambitious dimension is anchored at its adaptive pole by self-confidence and at its maladaptive pole by pathological narcissism. The Dominant dimension is anchored by, respectively, authoritativeness and pathological aggressiveness—the latter being conceptually related to “sadistic personality disorder,” listed in the appendix of the revised third edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (1987) as a provisional personality disorder requiring further study. Finally, the Conscientious dimension ranges from conventional respectfulness to self-defeating compulsiveness. Pardon me, but haven’t **most** of our presidents fit that profile? You just don’t get that far if you aren’t “Ambitious” and “Dominant,” and “pathological narcissism helps” a lot! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/86 "2006-08-01T00:29:01Z")
Is there any reason to believe that HRC exhibits any of the specifically _maladaptive_ characteristics of ambition or dominance? So she’s confident, ambitious and conscientious? And the problem with that is…? Incidentally, pathological narcissism and pathologically authoritarian aggression are two of the primary personality traits of the current president…along with the low IQ and the religious fanatacism. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/87 "2006-08-01T00:41:05Z")
Hillary gets a bad rap for having more ambition as First Lady than many people want to see in their First Ladies. I don’t particularly care for her politics, but she’s this whole “authoritarian” thing is way over the top. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Incidentally, pathological narcissism and pathologically authoritarian aggression are two of the primary personality traits of the current president…along with the low IQ and the religious fanatacism. [/QUOTE] What is Bush’s IQ? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/88 "2006-08-01T01:03:40Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Hillary gets a bad rap for having more ambition as First Lady than many people want to see in their First Ladies. I don’t particularly care for her politics, but she’s this whole “authoritarian” thing is way over the top. What is Bush’s IQ? [/QUOTE] I’d eyeball it at around the low 90’s. I see evidence of alcoholic brain damage. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/89 "2006-08-01T01:04:47Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I’d eyeball it at around the low 90’s. I see evidence of alcoholic brain damage. [/QUOTE] But . . . but . . . he has a Harvard MBA! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/90 "2006-08-01T01:27:35Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I’d eyeball it at around the low 90’s. I see evidence of alcoholic brain damage. [/QUOTE] Another internet diagnosis by **Dr. Diogenes**. You have no way of knowing what Bush’s IQ is, but all the concrete facts attest to an above average IQ. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/91 "2006-08-01T02:34:04Z")
BTW, the thread title should say, “a frontrunner **among** the Democratic candidates.” “Frontrunner **for** ” paints an image of her being assigned to walk point and take the first hit. Wait a minute . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/92 "2006-08-01T02:35:59Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Another internet diagnosis by **Dr. Diogenes**. You have no way of knowing what Bush’s IQ is, but all the concrete facts attest to an above average IQ. [/QUOTE] I’ve known a lot of people with above-average IQs. Most of them – not quite all, but certainly most – are capable of expressing thoughts clearly in complete, grammatical sentences. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/93 "2006-08-01T03:04:09Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Condi IS perceived as being dutifully obedient and loyal to W. She never contradicts him or tries to think for herself. [/QUOTE] You’ve never actually had a job, have you? I mean, beyond **John Mace’s** point about how bizarre it is to expect a cabinet member to publicly disagree with the President, it just shows a lack of basic understanding about how one behaves in a hierarchical organization. You disagree with your boss in private, never in public. If you advice is disregarded, and it’s an issue you feel strongly about, you resign. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/94 "2006-08-01T03:05:13Z")
[QUOTE=Random] You’ve never actually had a job, have you? I mean, beyond **John Mace’s** point about how bizarre it is to expect a cabinet member to publicly disagree with the President, it just shows a lack of basic understanding about how one behaves in a hierarchical organization. You disagree with your boss in private, never in public. If you advice is disregarded, and it’s an issue you feel strongly about, you resign. [/QUOTE] Urf. “this just shows” and “your advice”. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/95 "2006-08-01T03:12:38Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] What makes you think he would ever do that, knowing he would only play a spoiler role? [/QUOTE] It’s a plausible, yet remote possibility. I guess it depends on how much McCain dislikes his opponent. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/96 "2006-08-01T04:33:58Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I’ve known a lot of people with above-average IQs. Most of them – not quite all, but certainly most – are capable of expressing thoughts clearly in complete, grammatical sentences. [/QUOTE] Shall we do the whole SAT thing again? How about the pilots’ exam-- shall we do that again, too? Christ almighty, how some people refuse to accept facts that conflict with their preconceived ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/97 "2006-08-01T04:41:29Z")
The guy strikes me as a dumbass. I don’t care that he got into Harvard as a legacy. He wouldn’t be the first dumbass to do so. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/98 "2006-08-01T04:51:25Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] The guy strikes me as a dumbass. I don’t care that he got into Harvard as a legacy. He wouldn’t be the first dumbass to do so. [/QUOTE] OK. That’s a post I can agree with! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/99 "2006-08-01T05:30:45Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] How about the pilots’ exam– [/QUOTE] 😛😛😛😛😛😛😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223/100 "2006-08-07T16:25:40Z")
[http://news.bostonherald.com/columnists/view.bg?articleid=151737](http://news.bostonherald.com/columnists/view.bg?articleid=151737) An article that reinforces the fact that Clinton is radioactive. This is exactly the feelings of Democrats where I live (Colorado). If she is nominated, the Democrats lose, big time. _“Lying b_\*\*\* . . . shrew . . . Machiavellian . . . evil, power-mad witch . . . the ultimate self-serving politician.” ``` No prizes for guessing which presidential front-runner drew these remarks in focus groups. But these weren’t Republicans talking about Hillary Clinton. They weren’t even independents. These were ordinary, grass-roots Democrats. People who identified themselves as “likely” voters in the pivotal state’s Democratic primary. And, behind closed doors, this is what nearly half of them are saying. * ``` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillary-clinton-really-a-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-candidate/366223.md?page=6)