# Is Hillary's scandalous image purely due to misinformation and insinuation? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 29, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577 "2016-02-29T23:27:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/1 "2016-02-29T23:27:16Z")
At my workplace, I’m the only left-leaning individual of a group of about 15 co-workers. I constantly hear my colleagues harping on H Clinton’s scandalous behavior and corrupt past. I’ve been forwarded e-mails from family with titles like “[10 Scandals Involving Hillary Clinton You May Have Forgotten](http://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten)” or “[Hillary’s 22 Biggest Scandals Ever](http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/)”, but when looking through these lists, I just see a lot of insinuation and statements like “Clinton accepted donations from A, and then A was appointed as a board member at company B, and the gov’t eventually gave a contract to company B.” Stuff that may look scandalous, but could actually be quite innocent. My question is, is there any evidence of actual nefarious behavior by Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/2 "2016-03-01T00:03:57Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were actual scandals in Clinton’s past, but they were drowned out by her political enemies constantly making stuff up to try to get something to stick. I personally can’t tell which is which anymore, so I generally ignore them all. I’m probably not the only one. I mean, when you get to the point where your husband, state governor and POTUS, is accused of being the mastermind behind multiple murders as a drug kingpin, the irrationality tends to become sort of a background buzz after a while. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/3 "2016-03-01T00:24:41Z")
Like **Leaper** said. And then one has to eventually wonder why she is not in jail. The inconvenient fact is because a lot of what she was accused did not pan out or was exaggerated so much that many just gave up on the scandal peddlers. Of course I did say many, because there will be always some that will always like to consume empty calories or old baloney. > **[Fox Turns To 20-Year-Old Debunked Conspiracy Theories To Smear Hillary Clinton](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-friends/fox-turns-20-year-old-debunked-conspiracy-theories-smear-hillary-clinton)** > > Fox News is using a planned Hillary Clinton miniseries and documentary to revive decades-old lies about the former Senator and secretary of state, reanimating phony 1990s "scandals" including Whitewater, Travelgate, and Filegate. Every so-called... > [@](#): > > Fox Turns To 20-Year-Old Debunked Conspiracy Theories To Smear Hillary Clinton > > Fox News is using a planned Hillary Clinton miniseries and documentary to revive decades-old lies about the former Senator and secretary of state, reanimating phony 1990s “scandals” including Whitewater, Travelgate, and Filegate. Every so-called scandal Fox is pushing has been thoroughly discredited by numerous independent investigations. One example: > [@](#): > > TRAVELGATE > > Fox News’ John Fund Falsely Suggested That Hillary Clinton Wrongfully Fired Employees In The White House Travel Office. > [@](#): > > Independent Counsel Concluded Decision To Fire Employees Was Lawful. In a June 2000 report on the firings of White House Travel Office employees, Robert Ray, a Republican-appointed independent counsel assigned to investigate the Clintons, wrote that the decision to fire the employees was “lawful” and that “the evidence is insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt” that either former White House director of administration David Watkins or Hillary Clinton “committed perjury or obstruction of justice during the course of their testimony before GAO, the Congress, and this investigation.” [Media Matters, 10/18/07] ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/4 "2016-03-01T00:37:14Z")
Yeah, there are some real issue that could certainly be scandals. For example, the Clinton futures trading was, um, interesting. Long story short, the Clintons invested 1,000. It turned into 100,000 in 10 months. They were trading cattle futures. After the 10 months, the Clintons stopped trading futures. The odds of this occuring are very, very low, [like 1 in 31 trillion](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02920493). Note, some of the trades involved companies that a) had ties to Clinton (Tyson) and b) some state decisions went in Tysons favor. [Linky](http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/30/us/hillary-clinton-turned-1000-into-99540-white-house-says.html?pagewanted=all). Also, gotta love that Mrs. Clinton claims she made these amazing profits by…wait for it…reading the Wall Street Journal. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/5 "2016-03-01T00:40:12Z")
Hillary has been “just about to be indicted” for 25 years now, almost my entire lifetime. I guess it isn’t impossible that _this_ is the scandal that actually ends up being legit, but at this point I just kinda ignore them as background noise. So far, for all I can tell, all they’ve uncovered is way more detail regarding the sexual habits of her husband then I, or anyone else, wanted to know. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/6 "2016-03-01T00:41:41Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Yeah, there are some real issue that could certainly be scandals. > > For example, the Clinton futures trading was, um, interesting. Long story short, the Clintons invested 1,000. It turned into 100,000 in 10 months. They were trading cattle futures. After the 10 months, the Clintons stopped trading futures. The odds of this occuring are very, very low, [like 1 in 31 trillion](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02920493). > > Note, some of the trades involved companies that a) had ties to Clinton (Tyson) and b) some state decisions went in Tysons favor. [Linky](http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/30/us/hillary-clinton-turned-1000-into-99540-white-house-says.html?pagewanted=all). > > Also, gotta love that Mrs. Clinton claims she made these amazing profits by…wait for it…reading the Wall Street Journal. > > Slee Ah yes, you see what happens for not reading other cites? From the article I cited already: > [@](#): > > The NY Times Later Corrected Its Misleading Report. The original Times article reported that Tyson Foods had received “$9 million in government loans” during Bill Clinton’s tenure as governor of Arkansas, and suggested that the loans were somehow linked to commodities investment advice Hillary Clinton received from one of Tyson’s top lawyers. The following month, the Times issued a correction, noting that Tyson had not received $9 million in state loans: > > ``` > The lengthy article suggested that Tyson Foods may have been the beneficiary of these purported "state actions" because a top lawyer for the company had reportedly advised Hillary Clinton on lucrative investments. On April 20, 1994, the paper issued a correction asserting that the article "misstated benefits that the Tyson Foods company received from the state of Arkansas" and noting that "Tyson did not receive $9 million in loans from the state." [Media Matters, 5/30/07] > > ``` As for her investment, IIRC there were reports that She actually was not as successful as it was reported before. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/7 "2016-03-01T00:49:04Z")
I missed this cite, ran out of edit time: > [@](#): > > Officials Found Clinton Committed No Wrongdoing In Commodities Trading. > > Clinton’s commodities investments in the late 1970s were first reported in a highly misleading March 18, 1994, New York Times article that reported she “made about $100,000 in one year in the commodities market with the help and advice of a friend who was the top lawyer for one of the state’s most powerful and heavily regulated companies.” The author of the Times article acknowledged in his subsequent biography of Clinton that she was never found to have committed any wrongdoing: > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > While disengaged, Hillary was remarkably successful. In the end, over a period of nine months, Hillary parlayed her $1,000 into almost $100,000, and outstanding though not unprecedented run. (When people hit it big in commodities bets, they can really hit it big.) Her trading profits in 1978 and 1979 were duly reported on the Clintons' tax returns, and there was never any official finding that Hillary had done anything wrong. [Media Matters, 6/13/07] > > > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/8 "2016-03-01T00:49:59Z")
Um, not \*purely, \*no. As I understand it, she made enemies in the Washington press corps in 1993, when she closed the White House West Wing to the press. They sort of turned on her, and then Rush Limbaugh picked up the stories dug up and ran with them. But she was financially tied to an Arkansas S&L owner who went to prison, and I suppose she _may_ have been protected from prosecution by her political position. :shrug: She seems to have considered conflicts of interest nothing to worry about, which I guess is how they played in Little Rock. That pattern continued with the Clinton Foundation & her State Department. Maybe there’s nothing illegal, but it’s not smart behavior, and the Clintons have been criticized for it, but not stopped. Still no prosecutions, but the FBI is supposedly investigating. At this point, I assume there is some fire behind the smoke in those two cases, even if some of the \*other \*smoke is being blown by a vast right-wing conspiracy. (I think she’s a dangerous candidate to nominate, but when I say this, I’m a “hater.” OK.) ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/9 "2016-03-01T00:51:28Z")
Every discussion I’ve ever had about Hillary’s Evil Deeds has ended with some version of either “no smoke without fire” or “I could tell you but then I’d have to kill you”. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/10 "2016-03-01T00:53:41Z")
> [@nate](#): > > My question is, is there any evidence of actual nefarious behavior by Clinton? I wish I could say no. However, there are skeletons in the closet of just about every past and potential president. As she has admitted, the eMail thing isn’t good, despite it being exaggerated by the GOP: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/24/why-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-petraeus-leak-are-not-really-alike/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/24/why-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-petraeus-leak-are-not-really-alike/) Consider this 22 year old article on the “the Clintons’ approach to investing, which involved little cash and large amounts of expert advice from well-connected friends:” > **[Mrs. Clinton Turned $1,000 Stake Into $99,000 Profit : White House: Her aides...](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-03-30-mn-40150-story.html)** > > Hillary Rodham Clinton, acting on the advice of a commodities broker later barred from trading for ethical reasons and the lawyer for one of Arkansas' largest state-regulated businesses, turned a $1,000 stake into a $99,000 profit in less than a year... My feeling is that if you are in the public eye, you should ignore investment opportunities and advice not easily available to the general public. Nowadays I suspect the Clintons are careful about that. Decades ago, they weren’t careful enough for my taste. Rubio has made arguably worse mistakes, and more recently: [http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/03/rubios-mortgage.html](http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/03/rubios-mortgage.html) > [@](#): > > ‘It looks a lot like somebody’s currying favor with an important political person,’’ said Michael Cannon, a market analyst and executive director of Integra Realty Resources-Miami whose real estate column appears in The Herald. ``People off the street don’t get this deal because he just purchased the property for $550,000. If it is a true equity loan, there has to be equity in the house to make the loan.‘’ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/11 "2016-03-01T01:06:12Z")
All in all, and all that really matters, she is nowhere near too ethically challenged to make a good POTUS. Bill was a good POTUS, and I’m sure she’s not one whit more corrupt or dishonest than Slick Willie (as he used to be known in Arkansas). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/12 "2016-03-01T01:47:22Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Every discussion I’ve ever had about Hillary’s Evil Deeds has ended with some version of either “no smoke without fire” or “I could tell you but then I’d have to kill you”. I could tell you but then the Clintons would have me [killed](https://www.google.com/search?num=100&newwindow=1&q=clinton+body+count&oq=clinton+body+count&gs_l=serp.12...3127.3127.0.5135.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.serp..1.0.0.uvMxetJt_nA)! 😃 CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/13 "2016-03-01T01:51:59Z")
The truth is somewhere in the middle. Hillary Clinton’s ethical issues are quite real, but she’s never crossed the line into pure illegality. Basically, her theory of ethics is that if “it’s allowed”, it’s fine. But she is pretty brazen, it’s not like you have to look hard to find legitimately questionable behavior on her part. if you want my opinion on the 22 scandals: 1. IRS audits- Typical of administrations and Obama’s was worse. 2. Covering for Bill- Oh yeah. Feminist indeed. Women should be believed, unless they slept with Bill, in which case they are sluts. 3. Looting the White House- small potatoes, but yes, it did actually happen. The Clinton administration’s last day and the immediate aftermath were widely panned by Republicans and Democrats alike as pretty shameful stuff. 4. Filegate- Mostly BS. 5. Muslim Brotherhood Princess- Mostly BS, and the parts that are true aren’t really Abedin’s fault. You can’t control who your family is and you can’t be expected to disown them. 6. Vince Foster- Total, unadulterated BS and probably the biggest reason so many people don’t believe Republicans when they engage in scandalmongering against the Clintons. 7. Emailgate- Jury is still out, but it looks pretty shady. 8. Chinagate- Bad policy motivated by campaign donations, not a real scandal, just the kind of crap Bernie Sanders keeps harping on. But like they say, sometimes the biggest outrages are what is legal. 9. Travelgate- More of the same. Not a big scandal, but the Clintons moneygrub as shamelessly as anyone. 10. Whitewater- Complex, not all that important, and I could never be bothered to understand it. It’s just not important enough. 11. Landing under sniper fire- Yep, she lied. She does that a lot. 12. Missing Rose Law firm records- who knows, the records were missing. 13. Pardongate- another last day scandal that even Democrats harshly criticized. 14. Cattle futures- Another one I can’t be bothered to care about, because a lot of politicians make money this way. You’d think they were all Warren Buffet times 100 the way politicians magically make big money on investments. 15. Body count- Utter BS, like Vince Foster. 16. Saul Alinsky- More BS. 17. Child rapist- This one’s legit. Not a scandal per se, but an insight into how some lawyers think. 18. Iranian fundraising- Never heard of this one, so I don’t know. 19.Clinton Foundation- Once again, a pretty new scandal so the jury is out, but there’s no question they took a ton of money from entities with business before the government. 19. Benghazi- Mistakes were made. I used to be a harsh Clinton critic on Benghazi(actually, more Obama than Clinton), but now I just think it was a not that unusual government cockup that had more to do with miscommunication and turf wars and poor judgement by the ambassador. The “it was a movie” thing though does count against her. Another bigtime lie. 20. Peter Franklin- who? 21. Giftgate- Okay, now I’m just tired. So basically, she does nothing outright illegal, but she does lie very easily and thinks there’s nothing wrong with taking tons of money from entities trying to buy influence with a future Clinton administration. Other than that, she’s like most politicians. The only thing that probably makes her different is that she seems to use every mostly legal tool at her disposal to benefit herself, whereas most politicans tend to specialize. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/14 "2016-03-01T01:52:30Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I could tell you but then the Clintons would have me [killed](https://www.google.com/search?num=100&newwindow=1&q=clinton+body+count&oq=clinton+body+count&gs_l=serp.12...3127.3127.0.5135.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.serp..1.0.0.uvMxetJt_nA)! > > 😃 > CMC fnord! And, of course, the best link on that page is to [Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/15 "2016-03-01T01:56:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > 1. Whitewater- Complex, not all that important, and I could never be bothered to understand it. Neither could Ken Starr. He spent years investigating it, and in the end seemed to think it had something to do with blowjobs. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/16 "2016-03-01T02:00:36Z")
Yeah, that’s why I totally get why some people think that it’s all just made up stories by Republicans, but she is actually pretty shady, and the mainstream press has done a lot of work uncovering her shadiness. If the GOP had just sat back and let the media do its job, they would have taken the Clintons down themselves. But the GOP had to go too far, and it produced a rallying effect around them. It’s the old adage, “never interfere while someone is destroying themselves”. She’s her own worst enemy. Let her do the job of taking herself down, with a big assist from the NY Times. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/17 "2016-03-01T02:19:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > 1. Benghazi- Mistakes were made. I used to be a harsh Clinton critic on Benghazi(actually, more Obama than Clinton), but now I just think it was a not that unusual government cockup that had more to do with miscommunication and turf wars and poor judgement by the ambassador. The “it was a movie” thing though does count against her. Another bigtime lie. Well, there you go again, making points that actually change the past. 🙂 > **[BENGHAZI FLASHBACK: When Fox News Reported That The Benghazi Attack Was...](https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/benghazi-flashback-when-fox-news-reported-benghazi-attack-was-triggered-anti-islam)** > > Fox News has repeatedly attacked Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration for linking the 2012 Benghazi attacks to protests over an inflammatory anti-Islam YouTube video in the immediate aftermath of the incident, but on the night of the terror... > [@](#): > > Fox News has repeatedly attacked Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration for linking the 2012 Benghazi attacks to protests over an inflammatory anti-Islam YouTube video in the immediate aftermath of the incident, but on the night of the terror attack Fox News reported the alleged connection on several shows. Several investigations into the aftermath of the attacks also show that the intelligence was fluid and the motivations for the attacks “continued to change throughout the week.” > [@](#): > > AP Report Cited By Fox Got Information From Libyan Government Official, Not Clinton Or The Obama Administration. The Associated Press reported at 5:17 pm, prior to the airing of Fox’s Special Report or On the Record, that a Libyan official said the U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi was stormed “after a protest against a video deemed insulting to Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.” What a surprise, as it happened the big lie came from Fox news, not the early confusion, but telling others only one part of the news, the reality was that there was a lot of confusion then and contradictory reports made the administration fall sincerely for some wrong info. However some of the attackers did report that it was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video > **[NYT: Captured Suspect Said Benghazi Attack Was Revenge For Anti-Islam Video](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times)** > > Ahmed Abu Khatallah, the suspect captured by U.S. special forces on Tuesday for his role in the 2012 Benghazi attack, reportedly said he was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video made in… The consensus later was that indeed the attack was planned before and no good connection could be made with the movie, but I would not be surprised that part of the confusion came because the movie did offend many Libyans and what the movie did was just create an opportunity too good to miss for the terrorists. On edit: No **adaher** the media has not been good, just good at parroting right wing talking points that are not accurate. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/18 "2016-03-01T02:24:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, that’s why I totally get why some people think that it’s all just made up stories by Republicans, but she is actually pretty shady, and the mainstream press has done a lot of work uncovering her shadiness. See post #11. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/19 "2016-03-01T04:42:00Z")
GIGO, quoting Media Matters in defending the Clintons isn’t going to convince anyone who isn’t already a believer. Presumably you could find at least a slightly more objective source somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577/20 "2016-03-01T04:46:21Z")
its insinuation; of course the GOP would do it because Clinton was a threat (and one that followed thru) to rob them of the electoral votes of suburban states, hence why they don’t win landslides like from 1968-1988, and only won more votes than a Democrat at the Prez level once in the last quarter century. The far-left also spreads these lies to try to discredit the “DLC-wing” of the Democratic party (see Sanders fans online). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-hillarys-scandalous-image-purely-due-to-misinformation-and-insinuation/747577.md?page=2)