# Is homophobia a social evil, and are homophobic persons evil? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 5, 2012, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-homophobia-a-social-evil-and-are-homophobic-persons-evil/608451 "2012-01-05T01:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-homophobia-a-social-evil-and-are-homophobic-persons-evil/608451/141 "2012-01-12T03:12:50Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, I’ll be bringing up a relevant and on-point argument, which you will continue to dismiss as a disingenuous strawman. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Okay, when you start doing that, could you send me an email so I’ll know? It’s looking like it’ll be a wait and I’d rather not have to babysit threads you post in. > [@](#): > > Of course it’s not a neutral argument. Dan Savage is not neutral on the topic of vagina aesthetics. Dan Savage thinks that vaginas are unpleasant to look at. He has a negative opinion on the topic. Being a humorist, he expressed that opinion in the form of a joke. And for some reason you are simply incapable of explaining, that’s supposed to make it okay. > [@](#): > > I hope that’s sufficient mansplaining for you. I mandid my best to manake my position as clear as I possibly mancould. If you still don’t understand what I’m mansaying, I manay manave to manhrow up my hands and manake my manscape from this thread. Please make your manscape, dude, because it actually is really not helpful to here some dude’s opinions about why a woman is wrong to be upset by sexism. I mean, everyone gets that you have no idea why the comment was problematic (given that you summarized it by removing the objectionable portions.) It’s not the job of any of us to help you understand why comments like this are problematic, and while I’m not speaking for this lady-person, I’m not willing to share my insights (such as they are – insights from a dude, which are obviously less useful than insights from a woman when it comes to the topic of sexism) until I have some belief that you are not just some douche trying to excuse sexism. Wait, that last one came out weird. > [@](#): > > No, you answered another poster’s direct question. Since both you and **miss elizabeth** seem fuzzy on this, let me directly state that nothing I have posted in this thread has been done in my role as a moderator. Too bad this place doesn’t have moderators of sufficient ability that they don’t HAVE to subsequently clarify things like this. > [@](#): > > Also, when I said one hijack was enough, I was talking about me, not you. For instance, moderators who were capable of following the rules they were responsible for enforcing. > [@Miller](#): > > As a general rule, first hand experience is always superior to second or third hand knowledge, I agree. But it’s not a trump card. It’s possible to have an educated opinion about issues facing a group of which you are not a member - moreover, it is possible for that opinion to be superior to that of a member of the group. But not only have you not made it apparent that you have an educated opinion, your opinion has come across as manifestly inferior to that of members of the group, since it has consisted of refusing (or incapacity) to even understand why people took issue in the first place. > [@](#): > > If you want a place where people will accept, “You can’t argue with me because I’m X,” as a valid defense, you’re really not in the right place. The problem is that you have illustrated, in this thread at least, that other forms of argument are also useless here. > [@](#): > > I’m honestly baffled by this. I’m… not allowed to evaluate competing claims? Huh? You suggested you somehow had to. I pointed out that you didn’t have to. Honestly, it shouldn’t be _that_ confusing to you to learn that you were not obligated to give your opinion, especially since the only argument you can make to support it was _BUT HE’S A HUMORIST OMG HVDU_. > [@](#): > > I honestly don’t see what’s remarkable about that. People can be incorrect about the descriptions of their own feelings. It happens all the time. I mean, don’t tell me you’ve never heard someone say, “I hate the sin, but love the sinner,” and thought, “Bullshit!”? I’m sure you can’t see it, but at this point, given your non-arguments and the ridiculous things you’ve been saying in your efforts to defend homophobia, I think it’s fair to say I have done enough and the remaining problem is you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-homophobia-a-social-evil-and-are-homophobic-persons-evil/608451.md?page=7)