What? It’s OK for him to insult people, period. There’s no consensus rule of decorum against that in American politics.
Yes, the mean old Democrat insulted someone. That’s OK. Think of all those Southern Democrat Conservatives (I like to think of them as swing votes) who delivered their state to George Bush including John Edward’s State. And we’re not swooning, where laughing. He’s now the butt of jokes on late night TV (again). The more he steps in it the better it gets. What makes it funnier is that DNC donations are paying for it.
We’ve been collectively yanking your chain over this.
Honestly, I haven’t been crazy about the tack Dean has been taking, but the more I hear Republicans tell me how bad he is for the Democratic Party, the more I wonder if I’m wrong.
Time will tell.
So, what’s Howard Dean’s approval rating next to The Leader? The Pubbies turn the spotlight on Dr. Dean because they don’t want it on GeeDubya. Or on Tom DeLay. Or to remind you that every time the WH firmly denies something, it turns out to be true. If a scandal like the Boeing leases, with White House fingerprints all over it, had happened to Bill C., you guys would be howling like yer asses were on fire and your heads were catchin’. For a couple months now, everything The Leader touches turns to shit, so naturally, you want to talk about Howard Dean.
See, Wild Bill is a natural born politician, got it in his genes. He knew when he took a licking, he’d fall back, regroup, co-opt. GeeDubya can’t do that, he is incapable of admitting that he has ever screwed the pooch. He believes his own press releases, he looks in the mirror and sees… a Leader of Men, Elmer Fudd thinks he’s Winston Churchill. And so…he will fuck up again. Dean may make Dems look bad, but nothing is going to make GeeDubya look good.
Can’t polish a turd, Beavis.
No, I want to talk about Howard Dean because I don’t want to see another Republican in the White House in 2008, and with another three years or so to make up my mind, I don’t want to see some raving loonie change my mind for me. If Dean keeps this up the Democrats are in big trouble. Why are you people loathe to realize that?
It’s not whether you’re an asshole or not, it’s whether or not you LOOK like an asshole. Rove is an asshole in a sneaky, underhanded way, and nobody really notices. Dean is baring his butt for all to see, and nobody likes that.
But why is it that Dean looks like an irrational, out-of-control asshole, while Republicans in similar positions who spout similar invective or worse apparently don’t?
I mean, I have my answer, but I’d like to hear what the board’s right-wing defenders think about it.
Chill, Dave. The only people who’s knickers are in a twist about how awful Dean’s attacks are being the same people who nod thoughtfully as Rush talks about Hillary the radical diesel dyke. He did, you know, just the other day. We hear about it, we laugh. Its just not important. It just seems important in the wing nut echo chamber, where Hannity agreees with Peggy Nooner who agrees with Anne of Green Goebbels who agrees with Laura Ingrown that this Dean thing is really, really important: much more important than the latest set of scandals.
See, Dems don’t really have Leaders, any more than cats have cat herders. If Dr. Dean took a vow of silence tomorrow, it wouldn’t make so much as a ripple. Its not about Dean, its about not being about Bush. Anything to keep you from looking at the man behind the curtain, anything to keep you from realizing that the Emperor has no flight suit.
So, 'luc, what you’re saying is that the Dems can beat Bush next time? Kinda late for that, don’t you think?
Yup, that’s what it says. Plagerized from the publication that says all Republicans are racist homophobes that want to off the 20-somethings and own all the oil in the world.
How you got your hands on it, though, is something “we’ll” have to look into. :eek:
“Time makes more converts than reason.” — Thomas Paine
Okay, have you any reliable support for this charge? Maybe one of you making this claim will ever be able to provide some evidence.
On the other hand, you can just keep saying the same thing over and over again even though it probably isn’t true.
I could not ask for better proof of Dean’s effectiveness than the way the right wing echo chamber is going after him. Plus, it’s funny to hear people like Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly criticizing Dean for saying harsh things. It’s like the residents of the local bordello are criticizing the schoolmarm’s shockingly short (ankle length!) dress.
For all of you Dean-backers in the audience, here’s…the rest of the story.
Well, these comments were directed at Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy after some particularly hateful comments from these individuals. What did Pelosi and Kennedy say to spark this comment from Gillespie?
She (as are we all) is certainly entitled to her beliefs, but I would like to know her strategy for toppling Saddam’s regime, liberating the Iraqi people, and fighting off the insurgency “without the deaths to our troops and the costs to our taxpayers”. Gee Nancy, that sure would be nice, but we live in reality. Sadly, war costs both money and lives. And though the loss of life in this war is regrettable, it is very minor when compared to other military conflicts of this size.
This quote is particularly disgusting, but unsurprising from the famous murderer/drunk from Massachussets.
You do know the history behind this comment, right? Your vaunted chairman Dizzy Dean was attempting to blame Bush for the Madrid bombing. He stated, “The president was the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which apparently has been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend.” And where did he get that idea? From the terrorists who committed the bombing. Al Qaida made the same claim in their videotape released after the bombing, and in Dean’s own words “That was what they said in the tape. They made that connection. I’m simply repeating it.” So he was repeating a terrorist’s propaganda. This makes him a mouthpiece for terrorists, does it not?
Here is another quote from Gillespie to put his quote in context:
I mean, these facts are certainly embarrassing for Democrats, but what Gillespie said is essentially correct.
Not that you in your typical idelogical froth could ever be rational when it comes to these matters, but Rush Limbaugh isn’t the RNC Chairman (thank God). What he said was stupid. But I don’t hear any dems on this board repudiating the comments coming from their party or it’s supporters.
And though some of Gillespie’s comments in the past were more politically inflammatory than necessary, notice how they are all responses to Democrat comments or activities? Dean is coming up with this stuff all by himself – hatefulness for hatefulness’s sake.
By the way: do any of the “usual suspects” want to repudiate Dean’s rhetoric?
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Right. I thought so. IOKIADDI
Or like Quasimodo telling someone else to “sit up straight!”
Maybe, just maybe, it would have been to not start this foolishness in the first place. Do the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis feel “liberated”?
What part is incorrect? The United States is now inflicting torture.
Sure there are irregularities on both sides. Having the Republicans slam the Democrats on election fraud is a bit like a mass murderer condemning a jaywalker.
And note that all those Gillespie quotes were directed at Republican Politicians, not at voters.
I don’t know about the dead Iraqis, but personally I would feel liberated. I would rather be dead than to “live” under a tyrannical dictator like Hussein. And you are (unsurprisingly) ignoring the many Iraqi’s who are happy that Saddam is gone, including those that voted.
What is being done to the guilty terrorists being held in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo is not torture, especially when compared to the “tender mercies” of Saddam Hussein and the real torture that is going on in other parts of the world (hint: Iran).
Seeing how jaywalking is far more common than mass murder, I see the truth in your analogy.
That is not implicit in the Gillespie quotes, any more than the Dean quotes were directed at voters.
There was indeed torture, and are you sure the “terrorists” as you call them had been tried and found guilty? I agree that the comparison with Saddam Hussein was a bit over the top, but you can’t deny that torture happened under the US’s authority.
You keep telling yourself that. Was he talking about only politicians when he referred to people who had never made an honest living in their lives?