Sure there are! You always see them in the front row at the conventions. I’m sure their makeup in the front of the audience is directly proportional to their general makeup of the party.
Surely you’re not insinuating otherwise.
-Joe
Good grief. Even you can’t be this out of touch. Face it: Dean is an embarrassment. Members of his own party (Biden, Edwards, Frank) are rising up against him. Fundraisers are ditching him.
To top it off, he has a big hateful mouth. If he were a poster on this board, he would be banned for being a troll. The fact that many democrats and liberals lap up his rhetoric says more about them than it does about the republicans. Good luck trying to build a consensus and attract new party members with talk like that.
The Republican party, especially those who hold any kind of national office, are overwhelmingly white Christians. Let’s not act all offended about having that pointed out.
Republicans shouldn’t get their hopes up about Dean hurting the Dems. Nobody votes for the party chairman.
Yeah, that’s probably it. We just keep Colin Powell and Condi Rice around as our house … er, guests. Of course, you got Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as yours, so I think we got to pick first.
Regards,
Shodan
That’s how you “counter” it? You find some councilman who’s a Hispanic Christian? Well I guess you sure showed me.
How many Republicans in Congress are non-white (which is a subjective term. A lot of Hispanics could be called “white”)? How many are non-Christian?
The Christian thing is even more true than the white thing. I’ve had a lot of Coinservative Christians tell me that they would never vote for anyone who wasn’t a Christian.
Dean has nothing to apologize for because he was right and the Republicans just sound lame and disingenuous when they trot out their tokens to act like they’ve been injured.
“All the black people who voted for Bush are both in his cabinet.”
-Chris Rock.
It’s a Christian party. Don’t kid yourself.
The comment had nothing to do with how many Stanford-educated/four-star-general blacks occupy positions of authority in the Bush Administration. As Karl Rove no doubt is aware, the Republican Party can get away with ignoring the interests of the everyday American black or Hispanic because the American electorate is 81% white. Let’s consider what that means: if the Republicans did not get a single minority vote, they still would only have to win 62% of the white vote to win the election. Historically, it runs in the high fifties. That also ignores the fact that the Electoral College favors white voters because the thinly populated states of the West, which are whiter than the rest of the country, get a minimum of three electoral votes.
Rove does run a pretty good program of making saps out of the press by telling them how much the Republicans covet minority votes, while in reality doing nothing about it, because he knows it would cost him far more white votes than he would gain. The reality is that George Bush lost the black vote in Mississippi 96% to 3% in 2000.
Damned straight, Howard. In the mind of the average American, and I dare say many Bush voters, collecting rent checks and dividends on stuff you own while other people mow your lawn and clean your bathroom does not constitute an honest living.
Howard is doing exactly what I want him to do. We need a hatchet man willing to call a spade a spade. Yes, Virginia, the Republican party is of rich white Christians, by rich white Christians, and for rich white Christians. The fact that they can trot out a few token counterexamples doesn’t prove anything. What Howard is getting is publicity for the Democrats. Like they used to say, I don’t care if they’re saying good things or bad things about me in the papers, just get my name spelled right. Keep the charges coming, keep the Republicans on the defensive. Keep up the good work, Howard.
What percentage of Republicans do you imagine live like this?
A high enough percentage to justify the term “a lot of” which I don’t believe is linked to any specific number, eh?
Let’s be honest. Both parties are Christian parties. Cite.
Maybe 10%. If Dean sticks to his guns, the other 90% may start to realize how and why Republican economic policies are fundamentally against them. Then again, they may not, or maybe they know already and don’t care.
Dean is doing a fantastic job.
Could not have selected a better DNC.
It is about time someone in the Democratic Party speaks up.
Any Republican who don’t think they have a lock on white, conservative Christians has their head in the sand. If that doesn’t bother you, fine. But don’t try to deny it and pretend otherwise.
The Republican party is chock full of bible-thumping zealots and I applaud Dean for screaming it out loud.
Keep it up Howard, keep it up!
That’s true, but what little religious diversity exists tends not to be Republican. At least the Dems have put an openly non-Christian candidate on their presidential ticket. I don’t believe the Christian right would ever allow the same for the Pubs.
I would also argue that the Dems do not have anything close to the same kind of overtly theocratic agenda that we’ve seen from some prominent elected Republicans and supporters.
No, but this party chairman is working pretty hard to get fired. If he doesn’t watch his mouth in public and start raising more money, he’ll be gone in a year.
In the San Francisco Chronicle cite, Dean rebuts the criticism of his fundraising by saying “We’re raising a million dollars a week. We’re doing fine.” That must be why this is happening (from Psycho Pirate’s cite):
"The committee’s finance directors for the two biggest hubs of Democratic fundraising have quit. Bridget Siegel, finance director for New York and the surrounding area, resigned last week, and Lori Kreloff, finance director for California, left the committee last month.
A third top DNC fundraiser, Nancy Eiring, the director of grassroots fundraising, has also resigned, citing strategic differences with aides to Dean…"
So the big democratic donors are stiffing him, his fundraising staff is quitting, top Democrats are publicly distancing themselves and he’s in the news once a week with his foot in his mouth.
Me too. Oh my yes.
Moderator’s Note: Please don’t say or imply that your fellow posters achieve sexual gratification or soil themselves in glee/distress in Great Debates.
If this is a serious warning, certainly I apologize. However, I must state in my defense that I meant nothing of the sort. I was using the phrase in a manner meaning “Do as you wish,” akin to “whatever floats your boat,” “whatever pops your corn” and the like. I had also considered “hang out with your wang out.”
So, you may bet on politics all you like; it doesn’t bother me and I do not and have never meant to imply that you might get sexual gratification (nor soil yourself) in the process.
What if I told you that, in modern times, there was a president that throughout adulthood had abandoned the religious affiliation of his youth. Furthermore, that president didn’t become affiliated with another Christian faith until after his inauguration.
He was a Republican to boot.
But inconvenient examples cannot ever challange the worldview you’ve built for yourself, so I won’t trouble you too much with this.