# Is Islam mentioned in the Bible? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 20, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731 "2007-06-20T16:20:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/1 "2007-06-20T16:20:38Z")
There’s as much enthusiasm for Biblical prophecy as ever these days. But while “Gog and Magog” are typically identified as Russia, which is thus anticipated as a major player in the upcoming “End Times”, Islam can’t help but be an even more significant player. So if there is anything to Biblical prophecy, then this entity ought to stand out fairly clearly. So which passages have been interpreted as such? ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/2 "2007-06-20T16:25:55Z")
[As much nuttiness as you can eat](http://www.revelado.org/islam.htm) > [@](#): > > After the death of Mohammed in A.D. 633, Islamic nations were in relative disarray until the rise of the Ottomans; they became a formidable alliance of Arab nations governed from Turkey and consumed much of Asia, North Africa, and Europe. Its decline in 1840 was an exact fulfillment of Bible prophecy in chapter nine of the book of “Revelation.” Litch continued his research and two months before the event he predicted the exact day, Tuesday, August 11, 1840. Litch’s bold prediction was first made during a year that the optimistic Ottomans were victorious in suppressing an Egyptian rebellion and maintaining sovereignty over their vast domain. Both believers and skeptics watched in anticipation as that date was widely circulated in Christian journals and newspapers in the United States. > Scripture predicted that a latter-day power would “plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain” and the Moslems “planted” the Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem (Daniel 11:45). Like the Potters Graveyard that the bigoted priests purchased with the blood money of Christ’s betrayer, that golden mosque stands as a silent testimony of a religion built with the shed blood of Christian martyrs (Zechariah 11:13; Matthew 27:7). God demands justice and says: “The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground… So now you are cursed…” (Genesis 4:10,11). Time to send out for a fresh stock of :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/3 "2007-06-20T16:28:30Z")
Who has identified Magog as Russia? I could have sworn most prophecy types had assumed it was Israel. And isn’t Gog supposed to be the name of an individual? My best guess is that Gog and Magog will be interpreted to correspond with whoever the Christians have the biggest problem with at the moment. Magog will be Iran or Syria within a year or so, I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/4 "2007-06-20T19:59:45Z")
[QUOTE=Mosier] Who has identified Magog as Russia? I could have sworn most prophecy types had assumed it was Israel. [/QUOTE] Nope, most “prophecy scholars” say it’s Russia, especially Hal Lindsay and those who follow his ideas (like “Left Behind” author Tim LaHaye). “Gog and Magog” is basically shorthand for the nations of the world that will strike against Jerusalem, and therefore are Israel’s enemies, not Israel. > [@](#): > > My best guess is that Gog and Magog will be interpreted to correspond with whoever the Christians have the biggest problem with at the moment. Magog will be Iran or Syria within a year or so, I imagine. Probably. Biblical eschatology seems awfully malleable for being drawn from the Literal Word of God. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/5 "2007-06-20T20:25:40Z")
Anyway, it’s **not** Gog and Magog, it’s Morg and Eymorg! As revealed in [The Epistles of Roddenberry!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spock%27s_Brain) ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/6 "2007-06-20T20:39:00Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Anyway, it’s **not** Gog and Magog, it’s Morg and Eymorg! As revealed in [The Epistles of Roddenberry!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spock%27s_Brain) [/QUOTE] But you are not Morg… You are not EyMorg! You do not belong here! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/7 "2007-06-20T21:12:21Z")
[QUOTE=Mosier] Who has identified Magog as Russia? I could have sworn most prophecy types had assumed it was Israel. [/QUOTE] Jerry Falwell and at least for a while Ronald Reagan; Gog and Magog were China and Russia. It was part of Falwell’s argument for why we should nuke the world and why doing so would bring on the Rapture. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/8 "2007-06-20T21:53:04Z")
> [@](#): > > It was part of Falwell’s argument for why we should nuke the world and why doing so would bring on the Rapture. More shit you made up and attribute to articles that no one else sees, right? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/9 "2007-06-20T22:05:08Z")
I don’t know if this helps, but I was thinking of REV 1:20 where it speaks of the seven churches . It doesn’t seem like what I remembered but is as close as I can come . Perhaps the Lord can help me to remember . I’m getting kind of old. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/10 "2007-06-20T22:17:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > More shit you made up and attribute to articles that no one else sees, right? Chill, angel. Whatever one may think of **Der Trihs** ’s, um, radical views on religious belief, there’s no need for him to make up Falwell’s views on the connections between millennarian Biblical prophecy and late-twentieth-century global politics. Falwell’s claims in this regard are a matter of record and have made it into mainstream discussions of American Protestant theology such as [this one](http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=406&C=148): > [@](#): > > In his “Nuclear War and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ” (Old Time Gospel Hour, 1983), Jerry FaIwell says that the Russians (the usual term used by dispensationalists) will invade Israel, and their forces will be annihilated “on the mountains of Israel.” The battle will end this way: “Scripture tells us that five-sixths (83 percent) of the Russian soldiers will have been destroyed (Ezek. 39:2). The first grisly feast of God begins (Ezek. 39:4,17-20). A similar feast would seem to take place later, after the battle of Armageddon (Rev. 19:17-18, Matt. 24:28). The communist threat will cease forever.” Since Armageddon, the world’s final battle, will have been fought, a lot of other things will cease forever also. “Seven months will be spent in burying the dead” (Ezek. 39:11-15), adds Falwell. > > No sympathy is wasted on the devastated. “There are some very recent developments in Russia,” said Falwell in 1979, foretold “by the prophet Ezekiel, which point up the soon return of our Lord. These communists are God-haters, they are Christ-rejecters and their ultimate goal is world conquest. Some 26 hundred years ago, the Hebrew prophet Ezekiel prophesied …” just such a nation, north of Israel, as Russia is (“Dr. Jerry FaIwell Teaches Bible Prophecy,” Old Time Gospel Hour, 1979). > > Pat Robertson and most of the politically inclined dispensationalists speak about the Soviet Union in this vein. It is indicated that President Reagan shares this view also. James Mills of the California State Senate reported on 1971 conversations with the then Governor Reagan (San Diego Magazine, August 1985). Mr. Reagan referred to the Ezekiel prophecy, noting that “Gog, the nation that will lead all the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia.” And since the only powerful nation on the north is “Russia,” the question is settled. Earlier it did not make sense, said Mr. Reagan. “Now it does, now that Russia has become communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God.” > > That was in 1971. a long time ago, and everyone, even governors and presidents, are entitled to their own beliefs. Yes, but belief provides perspective and influences action. In 1983 Jerry FaIwell attended National Security briefings and discussed plans for a nuclear war with the U.S.S.R. with top officials. Arrangements for the meeting came from President Reagan. (See Grace Halsell, Prophecy and Politics, p. 47.) According to Hal Lindsey, writer of The Late Great Planet Earth, with Mr. Reagan’s approval he gave a talk to Pentagon strategists on nuclear war with the Soviet Union (ibid.). However, you’re right to question one point at least: while Falwell certainly subscribed to the view that Gog was the USSR and that an “Armageddon”-style nuclear war with the USSR was likely to be a necessary part of millennarian fulfillment of prophecy, I can find no evidence that Falwell or other millennarians thought that Magog was China. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/11 "2007-06-20T22:35:37Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] However, you’re right to question one point at least: while Falwell certainly subscribed to the view that Gog was the USSR and that an “Armageddon”-style nuclear war with the USSR was likely to be a necessary part of millennarian fulfillment of prophecy, I can find no evidence that Falwell or other millennarians thought that Magog was China. [/QUOTE] Nor any indication that Falwell recommended that the US “should” wage nuclear war as a way of bringing about the millenium. That’s the stupid and malicious lie which **Der Trihs** told, and to which I objected. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/12 "2007-06-20T22:45:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Nor any indication that Falwell recommended that the US “should” wage nuclear war as a way of bringing about the millenium. Um, of course he did. See his pamphlet _The Coming War with Russia_ and similar publications. Of course, Falwell believed that the Soviet Union was destined to act so as to **provoke** a nuclear attack from us—i.e., by invading Israel (see all that Gog stuff, above). But AFAICT there’s absolutely no question that Falwell thought that once this provocation had been given, it would be our moral and religious duty to nuke them with everything we’d got, thereby bringing on Armageddon, the Rapture, the coming of the Antichrist, the “final holocaust”, and the destruction of the earth. Hallelujah! Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/13 "2007-06-20T22:59:48Z")
Gog and Magog are a reference to Ezekiel. While the exact identification intended by Ezekiel has been lost (and was lost by the time Revelation was written), it apparently referred to some kind of hostile peoples to the north of Israel but Revelation turns it into a more generic signifier for barbaric enemies of Israel (think of how the word “Philistine” now gets used). Prophecy cranks like Lindsay will make any reference in Revelation mean whatever they want it to mean and make revisions when it suits them. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/14 "2007-06-21T00:57:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Gog and Magog are a reference to Ezekiel. I beleive Gog is mentioned in Isaiah many times as well (I’m sure it’s mentioned beyond Ezekiel (and Rev), but unsure what book) but not Magog. But yes, IMHO Islam is indirectly mentioned as ‘the spirit of the AntiChrist’, and other tools of Satan. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/15 "2007-06-21T01:09:22Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] I beleive Gog is mentioned in Isaiah many times as well (I’m sure it’s mentioned beyond Ezekiel (and Rev), but unsure what book) but not Magog. But yes, IMHO Islam is indirectly mentioned as ‘the spirit of the AntiChrist’, and other tools of Satan. [/QUOTE] No, Nothing in the Bible makes any reference to Islam. Islam did not exist when the Bible was written. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/16 "2007-06-21T01:12:20Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] No, Nothing in the Bible makes any reference to Islam. Islam did not exist when the Bible was written. [/QUOTE] Yes it does and the Word of God was, is and will be. The warnings are there. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/17 "2007-06-21T01:41:53Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] Yes it does and the Word of God was, is and will be. The warnings are there. [/QUOTE] That is your own inference. You have taken some ambiguous words in the bible and interpreted to be a reference to Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/18 "2007-06-21T01:52:17Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] Yes it does and the Word of God was, is and will be… [/QUOTE] Isn’t that an interesting coincidence? That’s [what the Muslims say about the Qur’an:](http://www.livingislam.org/uncrq_e.html) > [@](#): > > This posting sums up the doctrine of the massive majority of the Muslims, namely the People of the Sunna and the Congregation, concerning the pre-existent, pre-eternal, beginningless, and uncreated nature of the Divine Speech Allah Most High has named al-Qur’an, as held by the Salaf al-Salihun and as formulated by the two Masters, Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash`ari and Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi and their respective schools. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/19 "2007-06-21T01:53:44Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > But yes, IMHO Islam is indirectly mentioned as ‘the spirit of the AntiChrist’ No no no, that’s Roman Catholicism! > [@](#): > > [Westminster Confession of Faith:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Confession) > > There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. No, wait, sorry, it’s Judaism. > [@](#): > > [St. John Damascene:](http://www.contra-antichristum.blogspot.com/) > > The Jews accordingly did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ who was the Son of God and God, but receive the impostor who calls himself God. […] For he will come not to us but to the Jews: not for Christ or the things of Christ: wherefore he is called Antichrist. Oops, it’s actually Episcopalianism, Presbyterianism, and Methodism: > [@](#): > > [Pat Robertson](http://freetruth.50webs.org/C6.htm): > > You say you’re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don’t have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. Hang on! Cancel that! I meant to say it’s [Freemasonry](http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Freemasonry/freemasonry-straight_from_hell.htm)! > [@](#): > > In the seventeenth degree, or Knights of the East and West, after the candidates have completed the initiation and after revealing the password (Jubulum) and the Sacred Word (Abaddon), “the Senior Warden conducts the Candidate to the elevated vacant canopy at the right of the All Puissant.” […] > > To presume that honor and power is to deny Christ, or yet in deeper perversity, to replace his power and authority with that of the All Puissant, even in the representation of the power to save and to enthrone. This is the very spirit of the Antichrist. Or…aw, buggerit. Suffice it to say that Christians have had, and still have, a **lot** of different interpretations of which religious group(s) are being alluded to in the Bible by the phrase “the spirit of the Antichrist”. The one thing all the Antichrist-accusers seem to agree on is that it can’t possibly allude to their own religious group. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731/20 "2007-06-21T01:55:59Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] No, Nothing in the Bible makes any reference to Islam. Islam did not exist when the Bible was written. [/QUOTE] It took fifteen posts to get here? 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/408731.md?page=2)