Is Israeli saber rattling toward Iran serious or not?

Generally, yeah. Look, almost everyone around them says Israel should be wiped out, if you took that as casus belli, they’d never stop fighting. It’s different when the tanks are actually on your borders, like in the past

I don’t know why people get all het up about nuclear. 's not like Iran will be able to wipe Israel off the map in one swoop in this generation. If they’re using anything like the Pakistani tech, which seems about right, they’ll only have warheads in the kiloton range, and not too many of them at first - nuclear weapons take time to produce even with all centrifuges firing flat-out. 's taken Pakistan 30 years to build their current arsenal of oh, anywhere from 30-75 weapons. Nuclear’s not the end of the world (although a first nuclear strike by Iran would be the end of them)

How could Israel attack Iran without America’s connivance? Their warplanes will have to overfly any of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia and they’d be spotted by AWACS pretty quickly.

The only way that i could see the Israelis destroying iranian nuclear capability, is through a massive missile strike, with nuclear bombs. Other than that, a few aircraft-launched attacks will not do the job. If they use the nuclear option, all bets are off-Pakistan will probably attack israel, and etc.
Surely a very DANGEROUS sistuation.

Ahmadinejad doesn’t have control over the millitary, though, so he can’t order the troops to do anything.

Yes, they should ignore it. Ahmadinejad is a loud mouth who has no real power.

The American intelligence community doesn’t believe Iran has a nuclear program. The National Intelligence Estimate on Iran says Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003.

What goal are you referring to? For all it’s loud talk, Iran has never invaded another country. Why would they do so now? Especially when they have plenty of influence without having to go to war.

I’m sorry, but you’re misremembering these events. They did deny the allegations of having WMD, and they allowed inspectors into the country to have a look. The U.S. just ignored their denials.

Of course, looking at it from the Iranian point of view, Israel has a mighty military, they possess nuclear weapons, and they have a close relationship with the most powerful military in the world. Israel also has shown a willingness and history of invading and attacking nearby countries (something that Iran hasn’t done), and they are trying to get the U.S. to attack Iran. How should Iran respond to that?

Did you read that article?

The issue is uranium enrichment which Iran continues to do. This is the critical step. Two weeks after that article the UN Security Council voted to sanction Iran over its enrichment program.

Despite facing sanctions and incentives to stop enrichment and accept help for developing peaceful nuclear power help Iran remains belligerent.

They hid their nuclear program for 18 years as well. None of this speaks to an honest, non-nuclear weapon program.

Well, it certainly makes a bad comparison to Israel’s frank and open approach to the issue of their own pursuit of nuclear weapons.

Moreover, the US has troops on two of Iran’s borders, and has a leader who refers to Iran as part of something he calls “the axis of evil.” Not hard to imagine that the Iranians would like to have nukes for deterrent value, rather than as a first-strike weapon.

Heh, well all that justification does is make war more likely.

Yes, in theory. But in a region where personal army’s seem to pop up as needed I don’t get any warm and fuzzy’s from this guy. His election was the direct result of cleric intervention. Only candidates that follow their general philosophy are allowed to run.

His most recent foot-in-mouth decree:

“I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene,” Ahmadinejad said.

Yah, they would never give Hezbollah rockets or anything like that. The Iranian funded group wants Western government out of Lebanon and Israel dead.

For the life of me, I don’t know why people can see stuff like that, and yet still accuse Israel of being the one rattling the saber. Folks love to whine about how they hate being accused of being anti-Semitic when they have blatant bias against Israel seemingly for no other reason than that it’s Israel, but frankly in some cases I don’t see how it could be anything else.

You’d have to be brain-dead not to see the threat to Israel here. Has one of Israel’s leaders ever stated his intention or desire to have an entire country wiped off the map?

Despicable ad hominem argument, and utterly unresponsive to the point being made.

Yes, we say that you’re a belligerent nation with vast armaments and nuclear capabilities because you’re all Jews. That’s it.

But hey, that’s ok, because the other countries keep saying stuff about how they’d totally kick your ass if they had more than a fucken hundredth of you and your ally’s military budget.

Well then why don’t you tell me, why, when the leader of the damn country has said in his own words that he wants to destroy Israel, do you insist that it’s for “deterrent” purposes?

Yes, we say that you’re a belligerent nation with vast armaments and nuclear capabilities because you’re all Jews. That’s it.

But hey, that’s ok, because the other countries keep saying stuff about how they’d totally kick your ass if they had more than a fucken hundredth of you and your ally’s military budget.

Belligerent?

How, on God’s green earth, can Israel be more belligerent than a nation whose leader says he wants another country to be destroyed?