# Is it ‘Democracy’ if not ‘Universal’? AND Would you ever give up your vote?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-democracy-if-not-universal-and-would-you-ever-give-up-your-vote/556781>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [October 11, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-democracy-if-not-universal-and-would-you-ever-give-up-your-vote/556781 "2010-10-11T13:03:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-democracy-if-not-universal-and-would-you-ever-give-up-your-vote/556781/21 "2010-10-16T19:20:46Z")

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> [@Markxxx](#):
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> Of these only the Panama Canal comes close to being a great wonder. Yes, the others are nice, but they’re only buildings, built in modern times with commerical uses. The Empire State and Hoover Dam also have the fact they were built during the Great Depression when labor was a cheap commodity and people were eager for any kind of work.

I don’t understand how any of those are disqualifying criteria for a great wonder. Especially the “cheap labor” one. You don’t get much cheaper than slave labor.

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**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-democracy-if-not-universal-and-would-you-ever-give-up-your-vote/556781/22 "2010-10-17T22:57:14Z")

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> [@J.D.G](#):
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> Is it possible to have _Democracy_ without _Universal Suffrage_?  
> Does the former without the latter undermine the first?

Democracy and representative Republic is a illusion made to make the people think they have a say, plus have the people have empty causes to waste their time and prevent them from having truly fulfilling lives. Even if fetuses can vote as a universal suffrage system must allow, it would be a farce and not worth the ‘fetus’ time, much better to float upside down and kick a few more times.

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> Would you ever be willing to give up your, or other‘s, right to vote for a better system of government?  
> (Whatever your definition of ‘better’ may be)

I find that prayer for God’s Kingdom come and overthrow the current system to be a much better use of the time I have then voting.

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