Is it futile to discuss 9/11 with truthers?

Enough!

Your nonsense, here, has been thoroughly refuted in numerous threads.
This is merely an attempt to hijack this thread to promote your own silly beliefs.

This hijack is at an end.
**
EVERYONE**, there will be no more discussions of this “model” nonsense in this thread.

It is a hijack and it will not be allowed.

If anyone wants to actually examine psikeyhackr’s beliefs, they may open a new thread to do so. (I will not promise that it will not be closed if it gets stupid or hostile.)

(If anyone was not here for the last round of nonsense, I would recommend searching for the older threads rather than wasting time trying to discuss the issue with a True Believer.)

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Who needs to hint at the obvious. The ENIAC was not operational until 1945.

But computers do not do physics, they simulate it. But whether physics model or computer model they must be based on correct data. So try finding correct data on steel and concrete distributions down the towers. Gregory Urich could not do it.

psik

Tom told you to give it a rest.

Warning issued. Don’t do it again.

This is another example of the old saying “My mind’s made up. Don’t confuse me with facts.”

Since his name was brought up:

I asked that question in a thread last September:

I don’t think any Truthers came into that thread to reply…

As a side note: I am getting jaded, there is an impressive hotel fire taking place in Dubai right now (no casualties so far as reported thankfully), and my first thoughts are “Here’s another one the truthers will trot out when they say fire can’t cause buildings to collapse.”

Never mind that the hotel is made with concrete, not steel and the fire is contained to the exterior due to working fire supression inside.

Does “jaded” mean putting words in people’s mouths without providing substantial data.

A 63 story building is all concrete?

The fire started on the 20th floor.

But then you are assuming that it won’t collapse aren’t you? LOL

psik

And speaking of putting words into peoples’ mouths:

That’s not what Mr. Miskatonic said.

But more importantly:

This, more than almost anything else, answers the OP for me.

#notalltruthers :rolleyes:

If that building in Dubai were to collapse, they’d say that it was another controlled demolition, done to convince truthers that burning buildings do collapse.

He said:

I ASKED, “A 63 story building is all concrete?”

Didn’t he say “not steel” or did I miss something?

Oh yeah, there’s glass and plumbing and wiring. Has anyone ever said those had anything to do with collapsing or not?

Is the fire out and do we know whether or not it has collapsed? :smiley:

psik

Physics is Futile!

Yes. It is concrete from all the info I could find

http://skyscrapercenter.com/building/the-address/468

I’m pretty sure it isn’t going to collapse. The fire is external. Fire systems working, fire department active, concrete structure.

But do please keep trying.

Of course they didn’t. My personal theory on those whacked-out nutjobs (and, yes, that’s exactly what they are) is that they not only do not understand the actual science involved (not even that loon Jones who got canned, sort of, from BYU for his inanity) but do not believe their own screeds. They’re in it for the accolades thrown at them by others who also do not understand science. Basically your run-of-the-mill “truther” is in one of two camps:
[ol][li]Spewing the nonsense knowing full well it’s nonsense, but happy to get a follwing from Camp 2.[/li][li]People who lap up the nonsense because they do not understand science and want the nonsense spewed by Camp 1 to be true.[/ol][/li]
It’s possible to convert Camp 2 followers to reality. Camp 1, though, already knows they’re liars and it’s not an issue of conversion.

They just use the Co2 geysers to put the fires out!! Thats why the pyramids never burnt down!!! :smiley:
Or maybe it was all that rebar in them?
Concrete really needs lots of steel in it, especially tall things.

Even if there’s some exposed steel, the steel should collapse while the concrete remains standing. Like what happened in Madrid on 12 February 2005. Truthers tend to ignore all the steel that had been left hanging off the building.