# Is it just me or is President Biden really good at the job? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 1, 2023, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859 "2023-06-01T06:12:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/61 "2023-06-01T19:12:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > for example, getting out of Afghanistan when it was increasingly clear we were accomplishing nothing and there was no hope of ever making long term change. That was a tough decision, and one that prior presidents hadn’t been willing to make, but he made it, and the situation since we left has just reinforced (IMO) how wise that was. As much as I hate to give credit to Trump for anything, it was actually the Trump administration that agreed to withdraw from Afghanistan. The Biden administration adjusted the timetable a bit but Biden did not make the original decision to withdraw. The Doha agreement was signed in February of 2020, almost a year before Biden took office. Troop strength had already been drawn down from about 13,000 troops to 2,500 troops before the Biden administration took control of the country. The final withdrawal of troops was always going to take place during the Biden administration. Trump’s original timetable had it completed in May of 2021. Biden slipped the schedule to August. As far as I am aware, the schedule slip was entirely due to practical reasons and had nothing to do with politics. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/62 "2023-06-01T19:13:40Z")
I don’t know where this might belong, but … > **[Biden FALLS on stage at Air Force Academy](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12149847/Biden-FALLS-stage-handing-diplomas-U-S-Air-Force-Academy-graduation.html)** > > The 80-year-old commander-in-chief collapsed to his knees and then got back up during the graduation ceremony. I hope the guy is okay. I’m ON this plane, and don’t want it to crash, but … ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/63 "2023-06-01T19:21:43Z")
I know right? I thought it would have been when Trump was endorsed by the Klan, or the time he praised Nazis, or maybe something like the Trail of Tears. Turns out it’s Biden’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/64 "2023-06-01T19:28:03Z")
He was president – he could have found a way to avoid withdrawing, as many generals urged him to do. But he went through with it, and rightly so. Trump may deserve some credit for planning to get out, but it was Biden who pulled the trigger. Presidents have changed their predecessors’ plans countless times, so it certainly could have been possible here. But Biden made the right decision. How about the other question? What Biden decision has been worse, or even nearly as bad, as GWB’s decision to invade Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/65 "2023-06-01T19:28:30Z")
Another vote for “Biden has been fantastic”. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/66 "2023-06-01T19:32:19Z")
I heard he just tripped over some carpet. I tripped up the stairs on the way into work earlier this week. People trip. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/67 "2023-06-01T19:34:10Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I tripped up the stairs on the way into work Good ol’ Sleepy Airbeck. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/68 "2023-06-01T19:35:09Z")
Yet another reason you not a good President! That you haven’t been elected President is irrelevant of course! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/69 "2023-06-01T19:36:56Z")
> White House communications director Ben LaBolt said on Twitter that Biden was fine. “There was a sandbag on stage while he was shaking hands,” he explained. [**SOURCE**](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-trips-falls-during-graduation-ceremony-recovers-quickly-2023-06-01/) I was hoping it was something fairly pedestrian. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/70 "2023-06-01T19:37:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > By the way, @HoneyBadgerDC, do you still feel this way?: Yes, still feel the same way, I am kind of liking Marrianne Willimasen because she sees as I do that the division in our country is probably the most important thing that needs to be dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/71 "2023-06-01T19:38:36Z")
Yeah, you should check with her former staffers, 10 of whom have quit recently. One referred to her as a self help guru who won’t get help: > **[Why Marianne Williamson’s Staffers Are Running for the Exits](https://www.thedailybeast.com/demeaning-marianne-williamson-has-staff-running-for-the-exits)** > > More than 10 have quit since she announce she is running for president again. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/72 "2023-06-01T19:39:41Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Yeah, you should check with her former staffers, 10 of whom have quit recently. One referred to her as a self help guru who won’t seek help: I have only seen about 5 minutes of her but planned on watching her closer. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/73 "2023-06-01T19:40:31Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > “There was a sandbag on stage while he was shaking hands,” he explained. [Edith Evans] A SAAAAAAAANDBAG?! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/74 "2023-06-01T19:40:34Z")
What did Biden say or do that you think is anywhere close to as divisive as Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/75 "2023-06-01T19:41:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Which has been shown, to my satisfaction, to be from sources (read ‘they’re raising prices to get even more profit’ here) other than actual inflation. I guess I’ll agree again. My point was (is) that in politics more than in anything, perception is reality, and the collective perception is heavily flavored by throngs of low-information dunderheads. I’ve seen multiple polls where Trump was ranked as significantly superior to Biden in terms of “managing the economy.” As if the president were some powerful wizard, conjuring up just the right economic mojo in his basement lab. As if Trump weren’t a stunningly incompetent idiot, with one major skill—grifting. Like it or not, presidents get credit or blame for the perception of the economy’s health. Also have seen multiple polls where the economy (or “concern with the economy”) was the number one or two voter issue. Not stating anything novel, I’m sure. People’s votes are enormously influenced by their belief, mistaken or not, in who best eliminates their economic anxiety. If their anxiety is baseless? Doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/76 "2023-06-01T19:43:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What did Biden say or do that you think is anywhere close to as divisive as Trump? Biden is a horrible human being in every way imaginable, he stands for nothing. Not going to compare him to Trump. Except to say he is even more divisive simply because he never lets up. He has no morals and no principles. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/77 "2023-06-01T19:44:16Z")
What color is the sky in your world? It’s blue here. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/78 "2023-06-01T19:45:44Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > People’s votes are enormously influenced by their belief, mistaken or not, in who best eliminates their economic anxiety. If their anxiety is baseless? Doesn’t matter. Even worse, when their economic anxiety is being manufactured to distract them from the actual causes of it and pushes them to a desired outcome. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/79 "2023-06-01T19:46:17Z")
That you have provided not a shred of evidence for your assertion is noted. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859/80 "2023-06-01T19:47:25Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Biden is a horrible human being in every way imaginable, he stands for nothing. Not going to compare him to Trump. Except to say he is even more divisive simply because he never lets up. He has no morals and no principles. Yet here in this very thread other people are saying he’s the best, or one of the top three presidents in the last 50 years. What are we missing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-president-biden-really-good-at-the-job/984859.md?page=5)