No self denial, just a request for clarity.
How does a poll showing that most Americans don’t trust the media conflict with a poll showing that they tilt left?
By the way, you’re wrong, it doesn’t just deal with reporters (although that’s a fair proxy for the media in general). Check out this
Fine. Please provide the cite. Otherwise, we get to use my numbers 
In the latest polls posted they are asking the people about their perception about the reporters and what the reporters picture themselves as, it is not very useful to use that as a way to see if an outfit is liberal or not. Looking at History I have seen many examples of past captains of the media that were liberal to the core but they knew that if they had told the truth about war, food quality and union issues they would had lose sponsors and the newspaper.
Even if liberals are working in the MSM, they do know that an eternal compromise of catering also to the right wing is important for their livelihoods.
On edit: those key findings still show it with less than 50% agreeing. And the previous poll is more up to date.
Anyone who demands a cite that Fox News is biased is dismissing himself ipso facto as anyone worth providing a cite for.
Hey, I found one, from before the election though
http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/winning_media_campaign
Now, the critical-thinking person will suggest that, hey, all things aren’t equal. During this timeframe the financial markets were in meltdown, and McCain, from the incumbent party, was tarred with those results.
Still…
When someone lives in Hawaii, even California is far to the east. 
What I remember is that McCain tarred himself for his acts and reactions to the meltdown. Even some conservatives, but mostly independents, noticed that and the mainstream media just had to catch up to the where the eyeballs were going.
So you choose to dismiss the Gallup Poll cited in post 261, because it’s merely a plurality?
Why don’t you show me some evidence that the media tilts conservative. I’ve posted poll after poll, and just now an analysis by Pew showing that it tilts liberal. All you and Lobo seem to have left in the tank is to try to nitpick those results.
Maybe I just don’t understand your argument. It seems to be, a) Fox tilts conservative, b) the rest of the media is either conservative (if you believe Dio) or up the middle, and c) why aren’t you agreeing with me dammit this is a liberal board.
But I see that you are continuing to avoid this, Mr Smashy:
“care to deal with the “Climategate” lies that FOX made and continues to do when they are not making retractions?”
Yup, I’m afraid that’s what we have here.
“Favorable” or “unfavorable” stories do not necessarily correlate to bias, but can largely be dictated by events themselves. If one candidate says or does dumber things than another, than objective news reporting will reflect that.
That study also does not reflect commentary shows, but only the hard news segmemts. Therefore, things like Sean Hannity going on day after day about the black boogeyman, Reverend Wright does not get counted against Obama.
You’ll notice I never brought up Climategate, someone else did (possibly you, I’m too lazy to go back in the pages to figure it out). I didn’t follow the story closely when it came out, and I have little incentive to spend the time to dive deep, since I don’t care much about GW (my take: there’s very very little we can do about it, either a) because it’s caused by factors beyond man’s control, b) if it’s caused by us we don’t have the political will to make any changes that could possibly move the needle, and c) all of the scare stories I read about never talk to any of the upside… a 3rd harvest in Minnesota, more water in some places that need it, fending off the cyclical freeze we’re due for, etc, so it’s tough to do any kind of reasonable analysis.)
Maybe you can post the lies (again, if you’ve done that already). But to what point? Trying to convince me that Fox tilts right because their audience does? Save your breath/keystrokes.
I’m not dismissing it, only that the latest poll should take precedent.
Nope, you are only showing the opinions of reporters and what people think about the reporting, when asked about the overall picture the support (from both the left and the right) disappears. (And one does not have to ignore that the place you are using for cites is very partisan.)
A) Yes.
B) The rest of the media is for the corporations and centrist.
C) :sigh: I do agree with some of your points, but you are continuing to exclude the middle.
:rolleyes:
I’m not talking about the GW or if you are against it, this was a case where FOX news said that the climate scientists were hiding the data or committing fraud.
This was not true at all.
The point remains, people that continues to ignore that FOX news is lying on top of tilting right is a reason why they should be dismissed.
I think that the saddest part of all this is that, when confronted by claims that Fox is extremely slanted and lies to support it’s views, the claim of “Well, the other side does it tooooo!!” is made with some sort of perverse pride. Whether or not someone else is doing something wrong shouldn’t matter one whit…unless you truly believe that the ends justify the means, no matter what.
Maybe they did, I have no idea. But are you then saying that the other MSM organizations don’t do this?
From where I sit, is it any worse than when Newsweek buries the Clinton affair, or CBS continues to back Mapes and Rather long after the memo would be realized as false? No.
They all have agendas. Fox, Drudge, WaTimes tilt right, and a whole lot more tilt left.
See the previous post.
That’s correct. They don’t.
The Clinton affair was not news, nor did any of the “MSM” fabricate details about it.
The Rather memo was a mistake, not an intentional fraud, and it was inconsequential to the validity of the story itself, which was completely accurate.
They don’t all lie and fabricate. That’s a Fox News specialty (well, Drudge has been known to do it to, I guess).
If you are referring to me, then please know I take no perverse pride in any of this. I think it’s sad that some people buy into everything that Fox says, sad that some buy into what the rest of the MSM says.
Even worse though is some people who absolutely refuse to admit what’s painfully obvious, as per the polls, research, etc that I’ve cited.
But by far the worst part is the closed-minded nature of the conversation we’ve been having here on the SDMB. I’d hoped for a more diversity of ideas and agendas. I’m guessing that the increase in ‘niche-ness’ over the years gets birds of a feather yelling in their own communities, and that has gone a long way to add to the divisiveness of the country, the red/blue divide
PS Fox would probably tell you that the ends do in fact justify the means. I believe that Hannity and Rush, for example, sometimes take positions way right of what they really think, because they know they are among the few counterbalances out there against the rest of the literati/talking head class, who will predictably go left. Kind of like asking more for your house than you know it’s worth, because you know you’ll get lowballed and want to meet in the middle.
If it is o.k. for the Right to lie because the Left lies, then are you saying that it is o.k. for the Left to lie? When your moral compass spins that fast, do you get dizzy?