# Is it possible to build a machine that generates more power than it uses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975 "2018-01-06T09:43:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/121 "2018-01-13T01:40:39Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ok, so what is the point of this thread, other than for you to argue with and dismiss everything anyone says to you? > > This is the point where I ask the mods if there is a point to allowing this thread to continue under such circumstances. It would be interesting to see if this thread can run forever. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/122 "2018-01-13T01:50:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It would be interesting to see if this thread can run forever. šŸ˜ƒ At least beat that last 0.999ā€¦ thread ---
**Author:** ![Vinyasi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@Vinyasi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vinyasi)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/123 "2019-04-02T17:01:04Z")
Before we measure the electricity entering into a circuit and the various forms of energy exiting, we must revise our notion of the atom. Our present model of the atom is flawed and probably for a reason: to prevent us from taking ā€œfree energy nonsenseā€ seriously enough to convert a transient into a secondary, yet, [significant and renewable energy source](http://is.gd/oupaperback). What is the atom? If our atomic theory is to allow for free energy, we must use logic which supports the recycling of ā€¦ what? What could we possibly reuse? Let us assume that the atom is not made up of neutrons, protons and electrons (although electrons comes the closest since it exhibits electron volts). And let us dismiss time as a fourth dimension. Let us make time one of the subatomic forces which binds one or the other of the remaining two forces to itself as a monopolar, virtual action without reaction. And let these two other forces be the well-known: electromotive and the magnetomotive in their pure and quiescently virtual state of non-change. Now we have a pair of opposites which are the mirrored reflection of each other. In other words, the complete denial of each other. Each is the consequence of the other if action were to be allowed to have a consequence. But in this quiescent state of non-reactability to action, no measurements can be made and no observations can be discovered. We may only infer this as a theory to support what _can_ be measured and observed. This is the aether; something Dmitri Mendeleev [chemically postulated](https://archive.org/details/cu31924012371096/page/n33) as being two pre-hydrogen elements to his famous periodic chart of the elements. He named these two: ā€˜xā€™ and ā€˜yā€™ for lack of a better terminology available to him. [http://vinyasi.info/energy/An%20Attempt%20Towards%20A%20Chemical%20Conception%20Of%20The%20Ether,%20by%20Professor%20D.%20Mendeleeff,%20title%20page.jpg](http://vinyasi.info/energy/An%20Attempt%20Towards%20A%20Chemical%20Conception%20Of%20The%20Ether,%20by%20Professor%20D.%20Mendeleeff,%20title%20page.jpg) [http://vinyasi.info/energy/An%20Attempt%20Towards%20A%20Chemical%20Conception%20Of%20The%20Ether,%20by%20Professor%20D.%20Mendeleeff,%20pg.%2026.jpg](http://vinyasi.info/energy/An%20Attempt%20Towards%20A%20Chemical%20Conception%20Of%20The%20Ether,%20by%20Professor%20D.%20Mendeleeff,%20pg.%2026.jpg) But we may know these two elements as EMF and MMF in their pure form devoid of their combination resulting in watts composed of voltage and current. This latter materialization is dipolar and atomic (beginning with hydrogen). Here, in this theory, the atomā€™s neutron, proton and electron have been replaced with time, magnetomotive force and electromotive force in a combined state exhibiting atomic frequency _causing_ atomic weight. Now, we may reuse EMF and MMF if electricity is segregated within a circuit congregating voltage dominating current in one section and current without any voltage in a counterpoised section and current out of phase with voltage by exactly 180 degrees. Now, current flows backwards in time in as much as it offers negative resistance and flows from the area of no voltage towards the segregated area of higher voltage. It is not flowing against pressure; it is being pulled by the pressure of voltage as a centripetal action. _{Conventional current exhibiting positive resistance obeys the laws of thermodynamics since conventional current is centrifugal radiating outwards from itself in a dissipative fashion.}_ This segregation makes it possible to manipulate EMF and MMF from the standpoint of dipolar atomic materialistic electricity despite the usual impossibility for this to occur within the virtual state of the aether since these two forces are aetherically out of reach in their pure form. But in their materialistic form combined into electricity, they are manipulatable given sufficiently extreme circumstances are in our favor to do so. We do not consume electricity. Electricity is consumed by time. And we do not consume time. Time consumes itself whether or not we take advantage of it as it consumes itself. We do not _make_ electricity. We synthesize it by reusing its two forces of the EMF and the MMF. Or, we decompose electricity - and, thus, return it back - into its three constituent ingredients in which time is bound to either MMF or EMF in a virtual state of non-changing aether. Change always involves a duplistic structure of opposing forces. This is the nature to reality as we know it. This creates dipoles. The battery has two terminals of opposing charge - thatā€™s a dipole. A circuit whose current is out of phase by 180 degrees with its voltage and segregated into two camps in which either current or voltage predominates is another dipole whose existence can significantly replace the importance of a battery or connection to the utility grid. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/124 "2019-04-02T18:14:43Z")
Have you got a working model yet? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/125 "2019-04-02T18:42:02Z")
The first link in his post goes to a Kindle book he wrote. It has a five-star review! Which he also wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/126 "2019-04-02T18:50:35Z")
Vast conspiracies to hide the true nature of the atom, the fourth dimension and aether? Throwing Bigfoot and Nessie into this technobabble would make it no more ridiculous than it is right now. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/127 "2019-04-02T18:54:36Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The first link in his post goes to a Kindle book he wrote. It has a five-star review! Which he also wrote. $150??? Thatā€™ll certainly pay off a lot of utility bills. Which makes the book a source of free energy. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/128 "2019-04-02T18:59:19Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The first link in his post goes to a Kindle book he wrote. It has a five-star review! Which he also wrote. I think we found some of the missing inputs. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/129 "2019-04-02T19:02:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > $150??? > Thatā€™ll certainly pay off a lot of utility bills. > Which makes the book a source of free energy. I canā€™t link to that at work. How many pages is this $150 Kindle book? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/130 "2019-04-02T19:17:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I canā€™t link to that at work. How many pages is this $150 Kindle book? 30 pages. **Product Dimensions:** 8.5 x **0.1** x 11 inches šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/131 "2019-04-02T19:25:55Z")
I went to [his website](http://vinyasi.info/), read this > [@](#): > > I took machine level, assembler at WLAC after first studying the theory section of the I Ching, or Chinese Book of Changes which led to an octal appreciation which helped to prepare me. Also, Maharishi Mahesh Yogiā€™s Science of Creative Intelligence had prepared me since he teaches sixteen principles which may be analogous to the 8 pairs of principles making up the root of three alphabets to the language of nature. Each of these three alphabets have around 1,000 letters. One of these three is located in the crown chakra. Another, can be partially found on the Western piano keyboard. But the root of these three central to the other two is partially alluded to by the I Ching. and decided not to waste my time any more. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/132 "2019-04-02T19:28:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I went to [his website](http://vinyasi.info/), read this > and decided not to waste my time any more. I think we can thank **Vinyasi Johnson** for that authentic multicultural gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/133 "2019-04-02T19:37:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I went to [his website](http://vinyasi.info/), read this > and decided not to waste my time any more. Havenā€™t you been reading? > [@](#): > > And we do not consume time. Time consumes itself whether or not we take advantage of it as it consumes itself. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/134 "2019-04-02T19:40:57Z")
Compared to many on this board, I am ignorant of the finer points of physics. (not so ignorant that I donā€™t understand the second law of thermodynamics, mind you, but still comparatively ignorant.) However I understand English quite well. I have a passing understanding of logical exposition. I also have a relatively well developed ability to assess the intent of arguments. I donā€™t understand the OPā€™s stated premise, his amended premises, his augmented premises, nor the relation of his supportive references to any of the above. They resemble explanatory writing only in some minor semblance of form. I believe this may be entirely an exercise in click-baiting. The patience of several posters (whose actual understanding of physics I have seen for decades) is far greater than civilized behavior warrants. I recommend a transfer to the pit, where appropriate language will allow a more clear explanation of my point. Tris * * * The previous thread was read without cost, and fell short of that value. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/135 "2019-04-02T20:21:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I think we can thank **Vinyasi Johnson** for that authentic multicultural gibberish. And thank you for this! Yep, Physicists have been conspiring for over a hundred years to prevent people from using a new energy source. Since all Physicists are clearly in the pocket of ā€¦ [Big Atom](https://xkcd.com/2130/)?? (Obl. XKCD reference.) Why does an image of starting an old-timey car spring to mind? ---
**Author:** ![Vinyasi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@Vinyasi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vinyasi)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/136 "2019-04-02T21:43:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I canā€™t link to that at work. How many pages is this $150 Kindle book? 40pgs, $15 [http://is.gd/oukindle](http://is.gd/oukindle) 30pgs, $150 > **[Free Energy from a Shorted Motor, Visiting Timeless Technique - 2nd edition:...](https://www.amazon.com/Energy-Shorted-Visiting-Timeless-Technique/dp/1091505519)** > > Free Energy from a Shorted Motor, Visiting Timeless Technique - 2nd edition: Motors can think they are a transformer and become a generator whenever frequency and resonance dominates - not voltage. \[Vinyasi\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/137 "2019-04-02T21:46:40Z")
> [@Vinyasi](#): > > 40pgs, $15 > [http://is.gd/oukindle](http://is.gd/oukindle) > > 30pgs, $150 > [http://is.gd/oupaperback](http://is.gd/oupaperback) Any reviews besides your own self-serving little blurb? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/138 "2019-04-02T21:53:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I went to [his website](http://vinyasi.info/), read this > > > [@](#): > > > > I took machine level, assembler at WLAC after first studying the theory section of the I Ching, or Chinese Book of Changes which led to an octal appreciation which helped to prepare me. Also, Maharishi Mahesh Yogiā€™s Science of Creative Intelligence had prepared me since he teaches sixteen principles which may be analogous to the 8 pairs of principles making up the root of three alphabets to the language of nature. Each of these three alphabets have around 1,000 letters. One of these three is located in the crown chakra. Another, can be partially found on the Western piano keyboard. But the root of these three central to the other two is partially alluded to by the I Ching. > > and decided not to waste my time any more. Aaahh, **Czarcasm** , you are mistaking deep insight for nonsense, or as **Running Coach** reminds us in blazing prose, gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/139 "2019-04-03T00:24:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Any reviews besides your own self-serving little blurb? He even failed to review his own Kindle book. Must be not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975/140 "2019-04-03T14:35:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He even failed to review his own Kindle book. Must be not worth it. He doesnā€™t even review the hardcover book-he uses the review space to go over his ā€œtheoriesā€. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-possible-to-build-a-machine-that-generates-more-power-than-it-uses/805975.md?page=8)