# Is it possible to build a machine that generates more power than it uses?

If this is referring to the impossibility of extracting useful work from magnets, then I must insure that we not get distracted from the operating principle of the Newman motor is - not the conversion of magnetism into electricity, so much as it is - the blending of an overpowering AC sine wave with that of a DC square wave of lesser potential such that the AC component of this blend predominates.

The voltage level of Newman’s circuit provided by its battery pack - V1, in this simulation, is 300 volts. The voltage level of V3 supplying an electromagnetic equivalent to a spinning permanent bar magnet, delivered in this simulation as an AC sine wave, is ten times that: 3,000 volts.

The consequence is that the wave shape of the coil is no longer a square wave, but a sine wave. This indicates the successful domination of the coil’s behavior has been taken over by the magnet set into rotation to produce that AC sine wave.

The battery pack, represented by V1, is no longer in control of the circuit in general and the coil in particular.

But this takes time for this condition to build up.

Initially, the wave shape of the current emanating from V1 is a square wave. Gradually, the current level of V1 diminishes while the voltage of the coil rises. Also, the shape of the current of V1 gradually changes into a perfect sine wave. This indicates that this rise in voltage of the coil is accumulating from the AC source, V3, while the contribution of voltage from the batteries, at V1, is shrinking by comparison.

A blend of ten parts sine wave and one part square wave results in a close approximation of a sine wave. Also, the current at the batteries goes negative. This is the most important indication that the batteries are no longer providing most of the power to the coil and a sure sign that it’s coming from elsewhere.

Why invoke anything non-conventional? Think of the spinning magnet as an AC generator since its magnetic field rotates and its generation can be mirrored by an electromagnet, in this simulation, which helps to isolate the magnet’s inductance from its voltage which makes it easier to fine tune the characteristics of the magnetic field of the rotating bar magnet so as to supply just the right magnetic ingredient to boost the coil beyond its dependency on the battery pack, alone.

Fucking magnets, how do they work?

Here you are either saying that the device is 0.0007% over unity, or you’re saying that the wheel slows down by 0.0007% per cycle. If it’s the former, then that’s impossible, because you have energy coming from nowhere. If it’s the latter, well, that’s possible, but completely irrelevant, because it just means that you’re using a rotating wheel as an energy storage device, which is a well-established, boring technology, which has been done much more practically by others.

It’s all about alignment of the north and south poles of iron particles in the magnet. The more iron particles aligned all in the same direction, the more powerful is that magnet. A non-magnetized piece of iron has all of its itsy bitsy particle sized magnetic poles oriented in a randomized mixture of every which way other than the same way.

Set in rotation, a rotating magnetic field is the foundation of AC power generation.

Whether this rotating magnetic field is set in motion by a rotating electromagnet or by a rotating permanent magnet is of scant consequence. The resulting input to the Newman device is still equivalently representable by an AC input administered to its coil from outside the coil. In my simulation, I use a transformer to transfer the AC field to the field of the coil.

Initially, the coil’s field predominates in DC square waves since that’s what is supplied to it from the battery powered commutator.

But gradually, the AC input predominates in the coil since the voltage, in this simulated model, is greater in the rotating (electro)magnet than it is in the battery pack.

The net result indicating predominance of AC over DC in the coil is the diagnostic check provided by the displacement of DC square waves in the battery pack with AC sine waves of negative polarity. Since the batteries are not capable of externalizing a negative flow of current (to recharge themselves), this reversal of current flow cannot possibly come from anywhere but outside the batteries.

Although this action is not overunity, it is free if it is assumed that the influence of the rotating magnetic field is acquired for free - overlooking the initial influence of a hand or startup motor to get the bar magnet spinning from a cold start.

Permanent magnets don’t lose their magnetic charge overnight - to put it mildly - unlike a battery which will through constant use. But in this simulation, along with real world examples of Newman’s device, the battery pack is continually recharged. The batteries won’t give out until the natural aging process of batteries takes over.

The fascinating thing about the Newman device is that instances have been reported that dead batteries have been successfully used to run his device, but were incapable of running normal devices. That’s why we call them dead whenever their voltage drops below their normal usage range. So, here is an example of the differences in how we define a dead battery. When is a battery dead? A truly dead battery, from the point of view of a Newman device, is when the battery has become destroyed due to a permanent short arising inside the battery making it incapable of ever developing any voltage difference across its terminals. Anything better than that makes a Newman usage of batteries still doable.

No, 7ppm maintained over all of its cycles. It achieves a stable state.

What I calculated is not a measure of its slow down, but the measure of inefficiency in transferring AC from the rotating magnetic field to the coil. The coil acquired a mere 7ppm of the energy available to itself from its immediate surroundings.

So, if this transference of energy results in slowing down the rotor by a factor of 7ppm, it is not a loss of 7ppm per duty cycle, but an average sustained over all duty cycles after thirty seconds of warmup has passed.

You have a bizarre way of applying a rule of thumb to a device to which that rule of thumb does not apply. The speed of rotation does not slow down. Rather, it speeds up to its idling speed when no mechanical load is added. So, if there is a slow down, it gets lost as a factor to net rotation speed since it’s so small.

The telling point is that the inductance of the AC field is very small by comparison to the inductance of the coil which is very large. The coil’s inductance, in this simulation, is 16kH while the inductance of the AC field is a mere 10mH. Meanwhile, the voltage of the AC field is ten times larger than the voltage of the coil’s field. How can this situation allow a slowing down of the rotor if the coil fails at overpowering the rotating field? What you’re suggesting would be equivalent to saying you can charge a battery using less voltage than what the battery puts out. It can’t be done. So, the AC field’s rotation speed cannot slow down.

A rotating field is not nowhere.

This is not a practical device in my opinion. It’s an efficient proof of concept to a style of functioning which is quite unique, aka unconventional.

I forgot to include the simulation of resistance on L2…

It’s ASC file for running in LTSpice is…

This was my next question … have you built this contraption yet and does it give you your calculated results? …

Also … I’m not seeing where you’ve answered The Master’s condemnation of this device … and this does smell like a perpetual motion machine … so if you could, please love, explain this in terms of energy flow and the conservation laws … I have an old dog-eared copy of Halliday/Resnick someplace, so figure me as having completed freshman physics … so try to use small one-syllable words …

I’m not the gubbermint, so I can and do judge people by who they associate with … and this Joseph Newman fella is one sick dude … telling an eight-year-old lil’ girl she’s married to some old fart makes Charles Darwin’s incest look wholesome … I’m not saying you’re a sick-o, just suggesting you find references from people who maybe aren’t as deranged …

For the most part, I go by Dr. Hastings analysis in chapter six of Newman’s book.

There are two energy sources which are blended at the junction between the coil and its surrounding field.

One energy source is pulsed voltage from V1 chopped with a switch to give very distinct square waves.

The other energy source is an AC field, V3, simulating a rotating bar magnet.

V1 and V2 and their associated switches represent the battery pack and the commutator.

The transformer, in this simulation, represents the mingling of the battery’s and its commutator energy with that of the AC field of the rotating bar magnet.

The voltage of V1 is 300 volts while the AC field is being supplied with 3,000 volts.

Since amperage takes a little longer to catch up with voltage, the initial scope readout indicates that the battery pack’s influence predominates in the coil. Eventually, the AC field’s influence predominates indicated by a change in both wave shapes and values during ‘warm up’.

V1, V2 and their associated switches deliver DC square waves. But a rotating bar magnet delivers an AC sine wave.

It’s easy to see the transformation occur as the AC takes over the behavior of all of the components of this simulation. The only component not exhibiting any wave and any energy value greater than zero is the voltage IN at V1. But this doesn’t happen right away, but becomes this when the AC takes over.

As I example with Tesla’s patent on adding AC to DC…

…it’s possible to regulate the outcome of an AC/DC blend by altering the ratio of voltages between them.

In this case, with this simulation, the AC has to be greater than the DC in order for the amperage of V1 to turn into a negative value and thus charge the batteries. This was determined by Dr. Hastings.

Since LTSpice has a weird way of displaying amps at voltage sources with an inverted polarity, I have to multiply all of the amperage traces of voltage sources on the oscilloscope traces by a factor of negative one to get their correct polarity.

By comparing the watts of the rotating field with the watts of the coil, I concluded that nearly 100% of the rotating field’s energy (100% minus 7ppm) is not being utilized - it’s wasted.

Thermodynamics is not being violated due to the energy efficiency of this device is barely above 0%.

The only reason why this device appears to run forever is due to the long time it generally takes for permanent magnets to lose their charge if they’re not abused with heat, etc. I think, as I recall, that it amounts to a small percentage per century. Correct me if I’m wrong.

And the batteries will need to be replaced far more frequently than will the bar magnet since they age too at a more rapid rate than the permanent magnet despite their being continually recharged while running in this device.

But Peter Lindemann and John Bedini has said that most battery’s chemistries are ruined by both charging and discharging batteries at the same time. Their chemistry demands either charging or discharging, but never both at the same time. So, I suspect that this incarnation of Newman’s ideology would hasten the ruination of batteries which could last longer if someone smart enough to do so could restructure Newman’s circuit to take better care of its battery pack.

I wouldn’t condemn sickos since rarely is there a genius who is not an imbalanced character.

Charley Chaplin was a rare exception to this rule of thumb. I cannot think of any other.

But I have to admit that associating with sickos is a taxing affair. Christ didn’t stay away from low-life. He administered to them. And so did Mother Theresa of Calcutta. But I’m too old to want to hang out with sickos since such an association wears me out, severely.

Nonetheless, I’m always rewarded by new insights arising spontaneously from within in exchange for doing Mother Nature a favor by attempting to help a sicko out by not allowing them to think that they’ve been forgotten or abandoned.

I just try to ration out my good Samaritan behavior, 'cuz I can only take so much of that before I puke.

Ah, that answers my question … your device does the exact opposite of what a voltage regulator does … sounds like you’ll need a bigger heat sink … electrical energy in, heat energy out … in my very limited experience, combining DC and AC voltages is a problem to be solved, can’t say I’ve ever came across a situation where this combination was desirable … and if it ever was just use a single diode rectifier …

“Is it possible to build a machine that generates more power than it uses?” – Watts times zero equals zero, obviously you’re using more power than the zero you’re generating …

We can write a computer program to say anything we want it to say … let’s build this thing and see if it works …

One of the main reasons for my spending so much time simulating stuff is that I’m not formally trained to handle HV. Thus, I’d like to simulate to get a feel for whatever I’m envisioning.

Secondly, I’m barely surviving without transportation, living out in the desert, and next to no financial support.

If I can stimulate discussion, then I’m still ahead.

I don’t doubt the heat out.

As for using a single diode as a half wave rectifier, I don’t see how that applies here since I’m simulating a mechanical device - not a solid state version - using two separate and distinct power sources. How do you use a single diode to blend two voltage sources? I don’t know how to do that.

A few errors were brought to my attention requiring me to rework the simulation.

In so doing, I managed to satisfy a few criteria described by Dr. Hastings:

1. a slightly predominant negative flow of current at the battery pack, V_bat_1, and
2. voltage OUT on the coil peaking at 770 volts which is close to the 667 volts measured by Dr. Hastings, and
3. voltage IN of 300vDC, and
4. a simulated switching similar to Newman’s commutator.

Everything else is weirdly eccentric.

Somebody sent me a diagram and is building it.

I’m not applying a rule of thumb. I’m applying the most fundamental known law of the Universe we’ve ever discovered, for which there has never been any observed exception, despite extensive efforts to find such an exception.

Perhaps the OP should go to Las Vegas for a refresher in the application of this law.

Yes.

In every single case (of which there have been tens of thousands in human history), when someone has actually built their clever design, it turned out they’d overlooked something and the machine could not generate more power than it used.

The same will infallibly happen in this case.

Say what? There’s no such things as “mere volts are needed, without current”.

He is living out in the desert in poverty. Seems like a foolproof plan. Or, he could use this small Scottish demon to stop the slow moving molecules and let the fast ones escape, thus inventing a power-free form of air conditioning.

Technically, you can have a potential difference even without current flowing. However, you won’t develop any power across it.

Stranger

That is a diagram of wack job/conman Joseph Newman’s infamous “Energy Machine”.

It doesn’t and cannot work-Period.

The article is unclear, can we still get stock in that company?

Poe’s Law.

Are you thinking of Pyramid Lake in Nevada? I understand Dr. Matrix could help, along with his able daughter-assistant, Iva, and his dentally-challenged sidekick, One-Tooth-Rhee. Contact Martin Gardner’s ghost for details.