# "Is it that the Dems don't understand white, working-class America?" No, that's not it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291 "2016-11-28T16:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/281 "2016-12-06T11:06:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Horsey sauce. **Clothahump** is a brazenly ignorant, shallow-minded dunce who represents the nadir of the common denominator and is treated exactly as such. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Pretty sure we established that this site is not particularly friendly to conservatives. it is Arrakis for conservatives. Only the strong survive. Liberals OTOH can thrive here even if they are complete fucking nimrods. **Clothahump** ’s continued presence disproves this handily. Conservatives survive if they play by the rules, as **Clothy** does. The ones who drop in, post the latest Breitbart-nonsense-du-jour and then blow up when it’s once again revealed to be bullshit leave quickly, often with a moderator’s bootprint on their ass. Liberal nimrods endure for the same reason, although to take an extreme example… > [@aldiboronti](#): > > Liberal positions? **Der Trihs**? You have to be kidding. He is so far to the left of liberalism as to make Stalinism seem moderate. It’s not so much about left and right as some fourth-dimensional axis alien to the rest of us. > [@octopus](#): > > People need to stop thinking of people as rational. And thus the reason why “it’s taking longer that we thought” is revealed. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > If he does damage or destroy the country, it will be by accident, stupidity, shortsightedness, poor judgment, overreaching, overconfidence, hubris, and finally **hamartia**. [Bolding mine] Hey! I learned a new word today! Cool! > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Democrat says, “No, it’s okay, I can swim.” > > Republican begs to be saved. No, Republican claims that “swimming” is a liberal conspiracy and insists they both use a “faith-based floating” technique instead. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > That’s a good point. Liberals have been known to be more willing to risk _[other](http://stuff.is-a-geek.net/random/Forums/Risk-Demotivator.jpg)_ people’s money, livelihoods, safety, etc. Remind me which party keeps trying to shut down the EPA? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/282 "2016-12-06T12:58:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The left is far more prone to political violence lately. Why aren’t you concerned about those pig fuckers as well? Depends on how you classify “political violence”. If we include the significant increase in hate crimes (which I think is reasonable), then I think it’s the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/283 "2016-12-06T13:03:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > In other words, you have no cites. Figures. In other words I don’t feel like linking to video practically everyone who has been paying attention to US politics has seen. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/284 "2016-12-06T13:04:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Depends on how you classify “political violence”. If we include the significant increase in hate crimes (which I think is reasonable), then I think it’s the opposite. Is that how political violence is standardly defined? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/285 "2016-12-06T13:13:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Is that how political violence is standardly defined? Wikipedia includes “ethnic conflict” as a subset of their [political violence article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence#Ethnic_conflict). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/286 "2016-12-06T13:30:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Depends on how you classify “political violence”. If we include the significant increase in hate crimes (which I think is reasonable), then I think it’s the opposite. I think it’s fair to consider hate crimes to be political violence, I just don’t know that you can assign blame to a particular ideology. Is it possible that the 22% of offenders who are African-American are black Republicans? Sure. Unlikely though. It’s just as unlikely that the 52% of offenders who are white are overwhelmingly Republican [https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/offenders\_final](https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/offenders_final) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/287 "2016-12-06T14:18:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think it’s fair to consider hate crimes to be political violence, I just don’t know that you can assign blame to a particular ideology. Is it possible that the 22% of offenders who are African-American are black Republicans? Sure. Unlikely though. It’s just as unlikely that the 52% of offenders who are white are overwhelmingly Republican > > [https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/offenders\_final](https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/offenders_final) That’s pre-Trump hate crime stats… but even so, they don’t challenge the notion that more hate crimes come from the right than from the left. But I don’t assign blame to “the right” in general – just to those advocating, or ignoring, or excusing, hateful rhetoric and actions. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/288 "2016-12-06T16:23:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But I don’t assign blame to “the right” in general – just to those advocating, or ignoring, or excusing, hateful rhetoric and actions. Which is half of the entire country. These evil racist assholes are your parents and children and friends. If you were smart you would do the morally right thing and exile these people from your lives. Especially your parents and children. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/289 "2016-12-06T16:34:44Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Which is half of the entire country. These evil racist assholes are your parents and children and friends. If you were smart you would do the morally right thing and exile these people from your lives. Especially your parents and children. What’s smart about that? That’s just cowardice. Like puppies one must gently but firmly rub their noses in the products of their actions. Force them to accept what they’ve done. Otherwise they’ll never learn. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/290 "2016-12-06T18:12:50Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > I have no idea what’s going to happen, but I do know that Trump, Pence, and Ryan are three different kinds of Republicans so it should get interesting. There will probably be some misunderstandings among them on who is working for whom. There’s daylight between Pence and Ryan? I sure don’t see any leaking through. And you really think Trump’s gonna veto anything Ryan gets through Congress? Seriously?? > [@](#): > > It just so happens that a certain problematic group of voters did have some good points. Yeah, and what were they? That their lives were going to hell in a handbasket, Democrats were trying to do what they could for them but were blocked at all turns by the GOP, so they voted Republican some more. Fucking brilliant. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/291 "2016-12-06T18:51:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > What’s smart about that? That’s just cowardice. > > Like puppies one must gently but firmly rub their noses in the products of their actions. Force them to accept what they’ve done. Otherwise they’ll never learn. You guys are missing the point- Trump’s racism just wasn’t the biggest deal to most of the people who voted for him. It’s not like they necessarily are FOR that racism; it’s very similar to **Damuri Ajashi’s comments about pro-lifers who voted for Hillary, except in the opposite direction. They chose Trump for reasons that they felt were more important than racism and sexism, just like Damuri Ajashi’s** pro-lifers chose Hillary over issues they felt were more important than abortion. There seems to be a massive degree of hurting butt on the Left that a relatively large portion of the country’s citizenry don’t completely agree with them on the subject of racism and sexism being the #1 sin. That doesn’t mean that they don’t consider it a sin, but that it’s not the chief one. I’ll even use myself as an example; I voted for Hillary because I think Trump is liable to damage our economy, get us involved in international shenanigans we don’t need, and do our national reputation a lot of harm. Racism wasn’t in it- I don’t like it, but that wasn’t why I voted for Hillary. If Hillary had promised to be just as bad on all the points I mentioned, then maybe racism might have been a consideration, but as it stood, it was way down on the priority list. And I voted for the “right” person in most of your eyes. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/292 "2016-12-06T18:58:20Z")
> [@bump](#): > > You guys are missing the point- Trump’s racism just wasn’t the biggest deal to most of the people who voted for him. > > It’s not like they necessarily are FOR that racism; it’s very similar to **Damuri Ajashi’s comments about pro-lifers who voted for Hillary, except in the opposite direction. They chose Trump for reasons that they felt were more important than racism and sexism, just like Damuri Ajashi’s** pro-lifers chose Hillary over issues they felt were more important than abortion. > > There seems to be a massive degree of hurting butt on the Left that a relatively large portion of the country’s citizenry don’t completely agree with them on the subject of racism and sexism being the #1 sin. > > That doesn’t mean that they don’t consider it a sin, but that it’s not the chief one. > > I’ll even use myself as an example; I voted for Hillary because I think Trump is liable to damage our economy, get us involved in international shenanigans we don’t need, and do our national reputation a lot of harm. Racism wasn’t in it- I don’t like it, but that wasn’t why I voted for Hillary. If Hillary had promised to be just as bad on all the points I mentioned, then maybe racism might have been a consideration, but as it stood, it was way down on the priority list. > > And I voted for the “right” person in most of your eyes. Alright, we get it, people voted for Trump in spite of his support of racism, Islamophobia, homophobia, sexism, and overall bigotry. They voted for him in spite of his inexperience. They voted for him in spite of his incompetence. They voted for him in spite of his lies. They voted for him in spite of his documented treatment of women. I can see why someone would vote for someone in spite of something they said or did or stand for, but I have yet to hear anyone give a reason to actually vote for trump, except the not-hillary crowd, who did the exact type of lumping that you accuse those who are turned off by everything that Trump has said and done. You say they chose trump for reasons more important than racism or sexism, can you tell me what those reasons were? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/293 "2016-12-06T19:38:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If “any of that shit” includes the incredibly vast universe of racism in the US _other than_ slavery and Jim Crow, then I think it’s distinctly possible. Slavery Jim Crow and genocide were the examples that you used. Do you think these things are even remotely possible that you would throw them on the scale on your side of the argument for how we should act going forward? > [@](#): > > I think sundown towns still exist (Vidor, TX is one such place that I drove through regularly in the early 2000s), and more, and many more could pop up pretty easily if the inhabitants of many all-white small towns decide that it’s okay again to do so. Red-lining is pretty easy to see coming back – favorable loans and other business/financial incentives provided to white areas of town, but not black areas, though crafted legislatively with creative language to seem non-racist. And much, much more. Even relative low-grade racism like sundown towns and red-lining are abominable and monstrous, and far, far worse than anything corruption has caused in the US. I think we disagree on how bad corruption can be. In another thread, we are discussing controversial police shootings and I think that the biggest problem that cannot be easily addressed is not the racism that might be the root of these police shootings but the corruption that covers up for these bad cops. > [@](#): > > I think you’re unaware of the extent of racism beyond the “big hitters” like slavery and Jim Crow. As an Asian, I probably understand subtle or “mild” racism more than most. Its so prevalent that even those who claim to be vehemently against racism are guilty of it. > [@](#): > > I don’t think slavery and Jim Crow will come back. But we’ve already seen efforts at voter restrictions, sundown towns still exist and could spread (in relative secrecy, through informal efforts) once again, and hate crimes have been spiking. And this is just the beginning. So we’ve seen that anti-Islamic incidents went up in the year preceding the election. What has happened since the election? Has the incidence of hate crimes gone up or down? > **[Update: Incidents of Hateful Harassment Since Election Day Now Number 701](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/18/update-incidents-hateful-harassment-election-day-now-number-701)** > > This is the second update from the Southern Poverty Law Center's effort to collect reports of hateful incidents of harassment around the country. This report covers the full week (Wednesday Nov. 9 to Wednesday Nov. 16) since the presidential... According to the SPLC incidents are decreasing. So, what is this the beginning of? > [@](#): > > There’s an incredibly vast gulf between slavery and no racism – we’ve made a great deal of progress, and we’re very far from slavery, but we’re not that far from some really bad shit in American society that happened well into the late 20th century and beyond. Then why do you bring up the specter of slavery and genocide in your arguments? ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/294 "2016-12-06T19:39:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > They voted for him in spite of his inexperience. They voted for him in spite of his incompetence. They voted for him in spite of his lies. They voted for him in spite of his documented treatment of women. The point you butthurt dems continue to willfully ignore is the fact that these so-called “Trumpisms” really only exist in the campaign-fueled, dirt-digging bullshit rhetoric your bitch and her minions stirred up over the past months. They are not real. They are paranoia-induced fantasies. OTOH, Billary’s well-documented scofflaw antics, political corruption and disdain for common sense, especially in terms of her more recent SoS debacles, have a long and storied history. Pull you heads out of your collective asses and observe objective reality for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/295 "2016-12-06T19:49:16Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > That’s a good point. Liberals have been known to be more willing to risk _[other](http://stuff.is-a-geek.net/random/Forums/Risk-Demotivator.jpg)_ people’s money, livelihoods, safety, etc. You mean like when we invaded Iraq? Or when we tried to privatize social security? Or when we tried to privatize the Flint water system? Or when we shut downt he government? These are small and tiny fuckups compared to what geo-political brinksmanship can do. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/296 "2016-12-06T19:54:26Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > The point you butthurt dems continue to willfully ignore is the fact that these so-called “Trumpisms” really only exist in the campaign-fueled, dirt-digging bullshit rhetoric your bitch and her minions stirred up over the past months. They are not real. They are paranoia-induced fantasies. > OTOH, Billary’s well-documented scofflaw antics, political corruption and disdain for common sense, especially in terms of her more recent SoS debacles, have a long and storied history. > > Pull you heads out of your collective asses and observe objective reality for a change. So, you voted for him then? What qualities do you find admirable? I have been looking for someone who voted for Trump who could explain what they voted for. Did you believe him that he would bring back jobs, that he would build a wall, that he would lock up hillary? What is the reality? What is it that you expect Trump to do? Where do you see this country going under his leadership? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/297 "2016-12-06T19:58:31Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > So go find some that aren’t pure bullshit. Do your own homework. > **[Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/)** > > Police used pepper spray on demonstrators in Portland, Ore., after a peaceful protest turned into what they called a riot. > **[Portland police: Anti-Trump protest is ‘riot’ | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html)** > > Thousands protesting Donald Trump’s victory in the presidential election took to the streets for a third night of demonstrations and vigils in several US cities. > **[Baltimore riots: Looting, fires engulf city after Freddie Gray’s funeral | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/27/us/baltimore-unrest/index.html)** > > Streets in Baltimore looked like a war zone early Tuesday after a night of riots, fires and heartbreak. Liberals don’t live in glass houses but they have very large bay windows ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/298 "2016-12-06T20:03:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > **Clothahump** ’s continued presence disproves this handily. Conservatives survive if they play by the rules, as **Clothy** does. The ones who drop in, post the latest Breitbart-nonsense-du-jour and then blow up when it’s once again revealed to be bullshit leave quickly, often with a moderator’s bootprint on their ass. Liberal nimrods endure for the same reason, although to take an extreme example… > > It’s not so much about left and right as some fourth-dimensional axis alien to the rest of us. It might just be me but I think Clothahump get a pretty large helping of flame every time he opens his mouth. When stupid liberal posters post some stupid shit, we all pat him on the head and say “aww isn’t that cute” On average the conservatives on this sit are more disciplined and thoughtful and rational than the average poster. They have to be to be take seriously. Any liberal idiot can get nods of approval on this site by bashing Republicans or conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/299 "2016-12-06T20:06:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > What’s smart about that? That’s just cowardice. > > Like puppies one must gently but firmly rub their noses in the products of their actions. Force them to accept what they’ve done. Otherwise they’ll never learn. I’ve been trying to rub the noses of those who insisted it was Hillary’s turn in the election results but they keep insisting that it was racism. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/300 "2016-12-06T20:28:14Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > There’s daylight between Pence and Ryan? I sure don’t see any leaking through. Ryan is a lot more fiscal and less social conservative. He would trade a balanced budget amendment and lower taxes for the overturn of Roe v Wade. Pence has probably already read the briefs for the hypothetical case challenging Roe v. Wade and has a spread sheets with actuarial probabilities to tell him how many justices are going to die in the next 4 to 8 years and who would be best to replace them before the hypothetical challenge to Roe. > [@](#): > > And you really think Trump’s gonna veto anything Ryan gets through Congress? Trump has no political allies and I don’t know how predictable he will be. > [@](#): > > Seriously?? Yeah, and what were they? That their lives were going to hell in a handbasket, Democrats were trying to do what they could for them but were blocked at all turns by the GOP, so they voted Republican some more. > > Fucking brilliant. :smack: You think Hillary lost this election because people who vote Republican year in and year out, voted Republican again in 2016? You know, we’ve had a Democrat in the white house for 8 years, right? You ever stop and think that maybe some people that voted for Obama last time voted for Trump this time? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=16)