# "Is it that the Dems don't understand white, working-class America?" No, that's not it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291 "2016-11-28T16:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/341 "2016-12-07T15:12:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If every crime motivated by distaste due to the victims gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion were tallied objectively what would the statistics look like broken down by party? Is that even practical or possible to measure? Riots are at least obvious. Yes, these would be harder to categorize. But that they might be harder to organize and categorize shouldn’t be an excuse to pretend they don’t count just so you can say that liberals are more violent. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/342 "2016-12-07T15:13:52Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Nothing was going to save McRory. He literally cost the state thousands of jobs over the transgender issue. One of the stupidest issues known to man. > > He did not lose because of some overwhelming support for transgender issues. > > In the states that Trump won, I think people were sick and tired of the focus on identity politics and culture wars. You really think pro-life people trusted Trump on that issue? Right, I think to most North Carolina voters HB2 was just seen as a very stupid overreaction to a law Charlotte passed. So you go from a minor kerfluffle that affects one city in North Carolina, to a big shit storm that cost the state something like over 1,000 high paying tech sector jobs and over $100m in lost economic opportunity. Even really socially conservative North Carolinians who _don’t_ live in Charlotte were probably dubious about making (literally) a national issue out of something Charlotte was doing. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/343 "2016-12-07T15:25:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And Hillary Clinton’s speeches and rhetoric were as much or more about economic and other non-culture-war/non-identity issues as they were about identity/culture. She lost because so many people couldn’t stand her, and she didn’t have much charisma, and (as I’ve said many times) too many Americans prioritized opposing bigotry as less important than opposing Hillary Clinton was. Hillary and Trump had such a close election that you can basically fill a hat up with reasons she lost and Trump won, pull one out, and any one of them you can make a compelling argument for, the core truth is that all of those the reasons people have named mattered to varying degrees–and in a super close election even something that only mattered a little bit could’ve been decisive if handled slightly differently. I’ve found it interesting to see liberals first decry how they’ve forgotten the white working class, a group that used to primarily vote Democrat, and then other liberals struck back saying “but they’re bigots who don’t understand us.” I think both are true, but mostly unimportant to the issue of the Presidential race. We’ve seen good evidence a Democrat that actually works at appealing to a broader base of voters (Hillary’s campaign did far less _work_ than Obama '12 in a lot of the important states she lost by small margins), and one who doesn’t make 90% of her ad buys attack ads on the opponent’s “meanness/bigotry”, can probably win the EC, especially because demographics _is_ on the Democrat’s side; just not to the degree necessary to overcome Hillary’s flawed ad strategy and lower outreach campaign. But even with the strategic missteps Hillary made if she was someone other than Hillary I think it’s pretty obvious they’d have won 300-330 electoral votes and a 2m+ popular vote victory. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/344 "2016-12-07T16:30:46Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Alright, we get it, people voted for Trump in spite of his support of racism, Islamophobia, homophobia, sexism, and overall bigotry. They voted for him in spite of his inexperience. They voted for him in spite of his incompetence. They voted for him in spite of his lies. They voted for him in spite of his documented treatment of women. > > I can see why someone would vote for someone in spite of something they said or did or stand for, but I have yet to hear anyone give a reason to actually vote for trump, except the not-hillary crowd, who did the exact type of lumping that you accuse those who are turned off by everything that Trump has said and done. > > You say they chose trump for reasons more important than racism or sexism, can you tell me what those reasons were? Easy. A lot of people are against globalism, free trade and the like. They feel that it exports American jobs overseas. A lot of people are against illegal immigration. A lot of people are against established Washington elites (the proverbial “swamp”). And to most of these people, they’re far more concerned with how the potential POTUS was planning to deal with these issues than whether or not one said a few moderately bigoted things. In other words, you go try and tell a construction tradesman (plumber, electrician, etc…) in the Southwest that he should vote for the candidate who doesn’t propose a hard crackdown on illegal immigration, because the other guy said something bigoted. A lot of those guys are being run out of business by unlicensed illegal immigrants doing the grunt work that was formerly done by apprentices and journeymen. It doesn’t make a hill of beans to them if Trump says he’s going to eject the Muslims, so long as he’s doing something about that which is more immediately important to them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/345 "2016-12-07T16:53:38Z")
> [@bump](#): > > It doesn’t make a hill of beans to them if Trump says he’s going to eject the Muslims, so long as he’s doing something about that which is more immediately important to them. If so, this reflects very poorly on them. This kind of prioritizing is, unfortunately, probably very common through history, such as Germans who thought Hitler would bring their economy back and didn’t care what he said about the Jews, but it’s a lesson that hopefully humanity will learn one day. Shame on those humans who haven’t yet learned it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/346 "2016-12-07T17:03:44Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Easy. A lot of people are against globalism, free trade and the like. They feel that it exports American jobs overseas. A lot of people are against illegal immigration. A lot of people are against established Washington elites (the proverbial “swamp”). And to most of these people, they’re far more concerned with how the potential POTUS was planning to deal with these issues than whether or not one said a few moderately bigoted things. > > In other words, you go try and tell a construction tradesman (plumber, electrician, etc…) in the Southwest that he should vote for the candidate who doesn’t propose a hard crackdown on illegal immigration, because the other guy said something bigoted. A lot of those guys are being run out of business by unlicensed illegal immigrants doing the grunt work that was formerly done by apprentices and journeymen. It doesn’t make a hill of beans to them if Trump says he’s going to eject the Muslims, so long as he’s doing something about that which is more immediately important to them. So, because people believed Trumps lies, and his lies were good enough for people to ignore the hateful things that he said. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/347 "2016-12-07T17:03:45Z")
> [@bump](#): > > In other words, you go try and tell a construction tradesman (plumber, electrician, etc…) in the Southwest that he should vote for the candidate who doesn’t propose a hard crackdown on illegal immigration, because the other guy said something bigoted. A lot of those guys are being run out of business by unlicensed illegal immigrants doing the grunt work that was formerly done by apprentices and journeymen. It doesn’t make a hill of beans to them if Trump says he’s going to eject the Muslims, so long as he’s doing something about that which is more immediately important to them. So all Hillary had to do to win was tell them what they wanted to hear and promise them the moon? Basically, that’s all Trump did-he stroked their egos and made promises, and they were willing to overlook the fact that he was a con artist with a long history of fucking over the little guy, a man with NO history of looking out for anyone but himself. I ask this question for the umpteenth fucking time: Why does anyone believe a thing that crawls out of his mouth? What makes ANYONE think that he took this job to benefit anyone but himself? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/348 "2016-12-07T17:21:18Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Kinda like petulant teenagers, they just cannot ever admit they were wrong. “I’ve been wrong before, and I’ll be there again,” as Neil Young once sang. But before I admit I’m wrong, for some odd reason I feel a need to understand what I’m supposedly wrong _about_. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/349 "2016-12-07T17:28:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, they are still both Republicans but they are different types of Republicans. They are certainly different than Trump. 1. Sure, they’re different types of Republicans, but only in the limited sense of having somewhat different areas of interest and emphasis. But is there anything they _disagree_ on? If Pence had to break a 50-50 Senate tie, is there anything he’d vote differently on than Ryan would? 1. And sure, they’re both very different from Trump; I’m not saying otherwise. The question is, is there anything Trump would veto that Ryan would try to pass, if Ryan managed to get it through Congress? I say you won’t see it happen. Do you disagree? If so, name a particular issue where you think this is likely. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/350 "2016-12-07T17:30:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So all Hillary had to do to win was tell them what they wanted to hear and promise them the moon? Basically, that’s all Trump did-he stroked their egos and made promises, and they were willing to overlook the fact that he was a con artist with a long history of fucking over the little guy, a man with NO history of looking out for anyone but himself. I ask this question for the umpteenth fucking time: Why does anyone believe a thing that crawls out of his mouth? What makes ANYONE think that he took this job to benefit anyone but himself? Do you not realize that most people think ALL politicians, especially Presidential hopefuls are full of shit and hot air in varying degrees? I mean, they routinely say they’re going to DO things that the President has no jurisdiction to actually “do”. At best, they can champion a bill or series of bills meant to accomplish some task. But that doesn’t translate into actually being able to “do” very much at all by simple fiat, like their campaign propaganda claim. I suspect that a great many people didn’t believe either of them, but at least Trump’s bullshit was more in line with what they wanted to hear. It’s not like Hillary was perceived as any more trustworthy. And I’m not saying that these people’s voting rationale is necessarily right or proper, but merely trying to explain it. It’s more a question of the perceived imminence of the issue; some kind of vague, future racism against some “other” group like Muslims is far less imminent than the threat to a journeyman plumber’s job posed by low-wage illegal Mexican construction workers. Especially when (I’d wager) most people in the US have never actually met a real Muslim. So it may not be morally right exactly, but it’s understandable, and that’s what I’m trying to explain. It’s not some kind of mass craziness where people went off the rails en-masse. It’s a fairly predictable thing, but the pollsters and media failed to imagine it’s magnitudel. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/351 "2016-12-07T17:33:42Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Bernie was the man for the Democratic party this year. He would have run the table in this election. Yeah, because even though the GOP had a file on him a foot thick, they wouldn’t have used any of it if he’d been the nominee. Like that video of Bernie applauding Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega down in Nicaragua as Ortega was launching an anti-American verbal fusillade. That alone would have killed Bernie’s campaign, but I’m sure the GOP would have said, no, it wouldn’t be fair to use this. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/352 "2016-12-07T19:10:40Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That alone would have killed Bernie’s campaign, but I’m sure the GOP would have said, no, it wouldn’t be fair to use this. You seem to have excellent hindsight for a person who can’t figure out what went wrong to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/353 "2016-12-08T12:30:55Z")
This election needs to be placed in the greater context of what’s happening worldwide, which is the collapse of the post-World War Two American - Allied geopolitical and economic system. People in America and Europe have lost faith in that system, much of the rebellion owing to the residual aftershocks of the failed Middle East military campaigns and the financial crisis of 2008. Those produced major headwinds coming into the election for Hillary Clinton, as did a good, solid 8 year period in which a lot of White Americans were confronted with a palpable fear that their country was slipping away from them. Even with all of that being said, this was a winnable election for Hillary Clinton. She could have won the race if she had run a better campaign. But we’ve seen in two separate election cycles that campaigning is just not her thing. Her ultimate weakness - her Shakespearean flaw - is her stubbornness. Ignoring the advice of others in setting up her private email server the way she did. Never really addressing the email controversy head-on once it became a public concern. Giving tortured, lawyerish explanations about these concerns in interviews. Picking Tim Kaine, whom I like but was seriously mismatched with the energy of her party’s base of voters. Confining her campaign to ‘states that really mattered’. All of these factored in the end. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/354 "2016-12-08T16:05:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Even with all of that being said, this was a winnable election for Hillary Clinton. She could have won the race if she had run a better campaign. But we’ve seen in two separate election cycles that campaigning is just not her thing. Her ultimate weakness - her Shakespearean flaw - is her stubbornness. Ignoring the advice of others in setting up her private email server the way she did. Never really addressing the email controversy head-on once it became a public concern. Giving tortured, lawyerish explanations about these concerns in interviews. Picking Tim Kaine, whom I like but was seriously mismatched with the energy of her party’s base of voters. Confining her campaign to ‘states that really mattered’. All of these factored in the end. So basically, she’s an idiot? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/355 "2016-12-08T16:07:06Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > So basically, she’s an idiot? She probably made some idiotic political decisions. People are complicated. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/356 "2016-12-08T17:03:10Z")
Thought I’d get in one place all of the wisdom our exemplar of a taxicab alternative has shared with us so far: > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Once again, this thread painstakingly illustrates how common sense is NOT common, and how so many people see the world from the opaque viewpoint of their own lower colon. You people are overlooking the simple fact that some significant number of the people who voted for Trump would have voted for an orangutan, rather than see an HRC presidency. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > **Blame Your Bitch** > > Hate and Love are the same thing, just opposite ends of the same emotional spectrum. Come to terms with the fact that Mrs. Clinton is and always was a pipe dream to supporters she’d convinced she was something that she is not. Fortunately enough people saw through the veil of legitimacy to put a stop to it. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > That’s a good point. Liberals have been known to be more willing to risk _[other](http://stuff.is-a-geek.net/random/Forums/Risk-Demotivator.jpg)_ people’s money, livelihoods, safety, etc. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Gawd, you are a fucking idiot. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Unless you’re part of the HRC sycophant club, totally blind to what a deceitful, lying, horrible scumbag she really is. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > The point you butthurt dems continue to willfully ignore is the fact that these so-called “Trumpisms” really only exist in the campaign-fueled, dirt-digging bullshit rhetoric your bitch and her minions stirred up over the past months. They are not real. They are paranoia-induced fantasies. > OTOH, Billary’s well-documented scofflaw antics, political corruption and disdain for common sense, especially in terms of her more recent SoS debacles, have a long and storied history. > > Pull you heads out of your collective asses and observe objective reality for a change. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > He’s not a politician. Pretty high high on my Trump-likes list. > > What doesn’t happen is sometimes just as, if not MORE important than what does. The POTUS is an influencer of the highest order. I like his influence flavor on those topics much more than HRC, the LOSER with a track record of coming up short, and being on the wrong side of the law and this country’s best interests. > > Trump won, Billary lost. Get over it. > > I expect him to attemp to do what he and conservatives feel is good and right for the country. Why do you expect otherwise? > > Just about any direction other than where we’ve been headed in the 21st century would be an improvement. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Sometimes you just gotta roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. The Sunni-Shiite bullshit that’s been making the Middle East an untenable situation for centuries needed/needs to be addressed. > > Contributed to by thousands of bureaucrats and politicians over decades of neglect and abuse. What’s your point? > > I’ll admit that geo-political brinkmanship was not an Obama strong suit. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Not a “career criminal politician.” OR even just a garden-variety “career” politician. > > How’s that work for ya? 😉 > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Bernie was the man for the Democratic party this year. He would have run the table in this election. > > Very regrettable. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > Kinda like petulant teenagers, they just cannot ever admit they were wrong. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > You seem to have excellent hindsight for a person who can’t figure out what went wrong to begin with. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > So basically, she’s an idiot? 'Nuff said. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/357 "2016-12-08T17:55:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > 'Nuff said. Those grapes will start tasting less sour over time. Thanks for the re-post! A little added emphasis doesn’t hurt. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/358 "2016-12-08T20:34:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why? Do you think riots are the only type of violence in society? I think hate crimes count – Dylan Roof’s motives were political. I thought he was a hate filled racist. Or is all racism a political statement? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/359 "2016-12-08T20:37:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > McCrory barely lost. But considering how the race compared to the Presidential race, I think it’s clear that McCrory was hurt more than helped on the trans issue. So at the very least, pro-trans-rights is not at all a crippling political position to have, even in southern states. > > And Hillary Clinton’s speeches and rhetoric were as much or more about economic and other non-culture-war/non-identity issues as they were about identity/culture. She lost because so many people couldn’t stand her, and she didn’t have much charisma, and (as I’ve said many times) too many Americans prioritized opposing bigotry as less important than opposing Hillary Clinton was. I mostly agree with that. Plus she was a corrupt globalist plutocrat and she beat the anti-gun drums during the primary to get to the left of Bernie on an issue and never tacked back to the center during the general. She didn’t lose because North Carolina didn’t vote for her, she lost because a few hundred thousand people in the rust belt states felt that she was worse than Donald bobblehead Trump!!! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/360 "2016-12-08T20:37:50Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > So basically, she’s an idiot? Mistakes were made. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=19)