# "Is it that the Dems don't understand white, working-class America?" No, that's not it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291 "2016-11-28T16:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/421 "2016-12-13T18:10:38Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Bullshit. The ones responsible for the current mess we face are those who voted for Trump. Or who stayed home because Clinton did not make their nipples tingle–there were far too many of those. > > She still got more votes but should have gotten more. Yes, she was not the perfectly ideal candidate–but Your Idiot will damage the country. And possibly the world. This, times infinity. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/422 "2016-12-13T18:12:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > No, the problem is the people that voted for Trump. The other problem is people like you who defend the people who voted for Trump. > > How is it that the people that voted for Clinton are being blamed for trump? Is this some sort of completely obscene cognitive dissonance? Maybe some (a very small “some”)of them KNOW how fucked up it is, but don’t have the balls to own it. They have to blame someone. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/423 "2016-12-13T18:14:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > … > She didn’t counter alot of his statements, thinking that the vitriol that came from him would turn people off on its own, with no response needed. She was hoping that people would be repulsed by what he was saying, that their better nature would win out. She was wrong. Dead wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/424 "2016-12-13T18:18:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > She was hoping that people would be repulsed by what he was saying, that their better nature would win out. She was wrong. Dead wrong. He legitimized hatred and winning at all costs. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/425 "2016-12-13T18:28:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Where did you get this silly idea that it isn’t possible for one candidate to be much worse than the other, that there is some sort of “Universal Political Balance Law” out there that justifies fence-sitting? Where do you get this silly idea that I don’t think its possible for one candidate to be much worse than the other? I don’t think that Trump is as apocalyptically bad as some people seem to think he is. I don’t think Hillary is so forgivably flawed as some people think she is. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/426 "2016-12-13T18:35:52Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Where do you get this silly idea that I don’t think its possible for one candidate to be much worse than the other? I don’t think that Trump is as apocalyptically bad as some people seem to think he is. I don’t think Hillary is so forgivably flawed as some people think she is. Your question is answered by your own statement right there. You are trying to equivocate. You are trying to play down how much damage Trump plans to do to the country, and play up how horrible Hillary is because of what stupid people believed about her. Your very own statements imply that you do not think that one candidate was much worse than the other. You have done nothing but defend Trump and attack Hillary since the election. In fact, should I not know better, just going on what you have said about the two of them since the election, it would be fair to say that you have implied that Hillary is the one who is much worse than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/427 "2016-12-13T18:47:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > They are currently manipulating their currency in ways that actually makes items manufactured in China less expensive. This drives out their competition in the US. It makes it harder for us to keep that manufacturing here. And reversing this currency manipulation would be their way of punishing us for Trump? The currency manipulation doesn’t just make Chinese goods cheap to us. It makes American goods expensive in China. Reverse the manipulation and Chinese goods become more expensive and American goods become cheaper. > [@](#): > > Just like they dumped rare earths and got us to shut down our rare earth mines, dumped steel and got us to shut down our steel foundries, they dump manufactured goods to get us to shut down our manufacturing. They’re not why we shut down our steel factories. China is why Indonesia and Korea shut down their steel factories. We still import steel but now its from China instead of Indonesia. > [@](#): > > If they raise prices, that encourages the US to start moving jobs either back, or to another developing country. Either way, or if we continue to get products from China at the new higher rates, it will cost more to purchase these “cheap” good that we currently take for granted. And is THAT how they will punish us for Trump? Making us pay marginally higher prices? > [@](#): > > Are you under the impression that a significant portion of iphones, armani and prada are made in the US? What would make you think I think that we make this stuff in America? I said “cheap Chinese goods” and you said “Prada and Armani”. I said most of the Chinese stuff we get isn’t Prada or Armani and you say “well we don’t make Prada and Armani in the USA” > [@](#): > > That was just a very short list of all the things that are made in China. Do you not get that they have far more manufacturing capability than we do now? Do you not get that we are importing much more from China than we are exporting? Do you not get that there are other markets for Chinese goods, including the growing middle class of China itself? And wtf does that have to do with cheap Chinese goods? > [@](#): > > At this point, we need them more than they need us, and they know it. We need to know this too, or we may make stupid decisions based on the idea that the stuff we import from china is just cheap electronics and clothing, rather than just about everything we use in our daily lives. No, we don’t need China more than they need us. That is absolute unadulterated ignorant bullshit. China’s economic model doesn’t work without an American export market. > [@](#): > > You said “maybe the would stop selling us cheap clothing and electronics” as in trying to imply that everything made in china is cheap. I’m implying that most of the shit we buy from China is cheap clothing and cheap electronics, etc (cheap as in inexpensive). > [@](#): > > This is not true at all, and believing such stupid things is what gets us into trouble. Except it is true. Most of the stuff we buy from China is not high end goods. We probably couldn’t replace Chinese electronics domestically but places like korea and could probably reconstitute their electronics manufacturing pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/428 "2016-12-13T18:55:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Your question is answered by your own statement right there. > > You are trying to equivocate. You are trying to play down how much damage Trump plans to do to the country, What damage does Trump plan to do to our country? Do you need a paper bag to help you stop hyperventilating? > [@](#): > > and play up how horrible Hillary is because of what stupid people believed about her. Hillary is horrible. Smart or stupid, the facts don’t change. > [@](#): > > Your very own statements imply that you do not think that one candidate was much worse than the other. I think Trump was much worse than Hillary. That doesn’t mean Hillary isn’t bad. > [@](#): > > You have done nothing but defend Trump and attack Hillary since the election. I have been criticizing Hillary for a long time now. Losing to a living bobblehead like Trump just gave me another reason to criticize her. And how exactly am I defending Trump? What action of his have I defended? AFAICT, I have only been trying to talk down the hyperventilating liberals like you. > [@](#): > > In fact, should I not know better, just going on what you have said about the two of them since the election, it would be fair to say that you have implied that Hillary is the one who is much worse than Trump. I think Trump was worse than Hillary. That is why I reluctantly voted for her. But my admission that a reasonable person could see her as the greater evil does not mean that I believe this. I think there are a lot of people on this site that think that only racists and retards could have voted for Trump and that is why we lost to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/429 "2016-12-13T18:59:02Z")
Trump is much worse than Clinton, so logically the thing to do is badmouth Clinton as much as possible? Thanks for assist, asswipe. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/430 "2016-12-13T18:59:39Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So, who were these ‘better candidates’ on the Dem side? > > Bernie Sand[del]inista[/del]ers? The GOP had a book on him that makes what they had on Hillary look trivial. By the time they were done with him, we’d be thinking better of Michael Dukakis. > > Martin O’Malley? Didn’t exactly excite anybody, did he? > > Joe Biden? There were reasons he didn’t move the needle much the two times he ran for President. And like it or not, due to his son’s death, he wasn’t really available. > > Elizabeth Warren, _maybe_ - but is there any evidence that she felt ready to run this time? > > Hell, who were these ‘better candidates’ on the GOP side, for that matter? Given the way Trump dismantled the lot of them, I have to believe he _was_ their best candidate. I love how Trump has become this invincible candidate of destiny now that he has beaten Hillary and people don’t want to admit that Hillary is a shitty candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/431 "2016-12-13T19:07:08Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You’re putting words in my mouth. He does something every day to convince he is the worst prospect we have ever had. Aren’t you watching? > > Nominating Hillary happened. Get over it. Like stages of grief or whatever. She was only this bad in hindsight, which means put a lid on the pot about how horrible she was. Large political parties do these kinds of things. Unless you have psychic powers and want to lord it out over other people, start looking outward at what we _ **have** _ got. This criticism of Hillary from the left didn’t spring into existence on election night after she lost. This criticism was there during the entire primary process and we were told to shut up because she was so fucking awesome. Now that she lost we’re supposed to shut up because its all behind us now, no need to look back at the mistakes of our past, just look forward.:mad: > [@](#): > > You anticipate that bad things are not going to happen? Yes, primarily I think he will nominate conservative justices. But that’s something any Republican would do. I anticipate that he will fuck up our economy but that’s just something that any Republican would do. I anticipate that the government will play fast and loose with civil rights but once again, its just something any Republican president would do. The Trump specific stuff will be embarrassing but aside from grabbing Angela Merkel and the Queen of England by the pussy, I don’t think he’s going to start WWIII. What bad thing do you anticipate that is Trump specific? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/432 "2016-12-13T19:08:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Trump is much worse than Clinton, so logically the thing to do is badmouth Clinton as much as possible? > Thanks for assist, asswipe. It really depends on where you lay blame for the election results. Do you think that Trump won or do you think that Hillary lost? Or are you talking about the part where I say that reasonable people can disagree about who is worse? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/433 "2016-12-13T19:12:52Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > … I don’t think he’s going to start WWIII. > > What bad thing do you anticipate that is Trump specific? If none of that would be enough to have destroyed anyone else’s chances, what about Russia and his ties to them??? He is Putin’s bitch. That’s pretty serious. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/434 "2016-12-13T19:16:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It really depends on where you lay blame for the election results. Do you think that Trump won or do you think that Hillary lost? > > Or are you talking about the part where I say that reasonable people can disagree about who is worse? You say that Trump is much worse than Clinton, and yet I have yet to hear jack from you about how exactly he is worse. Could you please elaborate on how exactly Trump is worse than Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/435 "2016-12-13T19:45:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And reversing this currency manipulation would be their way of punishing us for Trump? No, currency manipulation is what they would do to take advantage of us while we have Trump as an innefective leader. It is not to punish Trump, or us, it is taking advantage of our disarray. > [@](#): > > The currency manipulation doesn’t just make Chinese goods cheap to us. It makes American goods expensive in China. Reverse the manipulation and Chinese goods become more expensive and American goods become cheaper. They can manipulate it however they want. It doesn’t need to swing from one extreme to the other. One of the benefits, I suppose, of having a strong govt. Point is, they can fix it wherever they want it to be. Yeah, they may lose exports a bit to the US in volume, but it will probably be more in value. They aren’t going to be increasing their US imports by very much. What is it that you think that we make that the average Chinese consumer wants? > [@](#): > > They’re not why we shut down our steel factories. China is why Indonesia and Korea shut down their steel factories. We still import steel but now its from China instead of Indonesia. The [United States International Trade Commission](https://www.usitc.gov/press_room/news_release/2016/er0622ll621.htm) disagrees with you. > [@](#): > > And is THAT how they will punish us for Trump? Making us pay marginally higher prices? No, that is how they are going to take advantage of our stupidity for electing a complete idiot to the white house. China doesn’t take things personally, but they do know when an opponent is weak, and have no problem taking advantage of that. > [@](#): > > What would make you think I think that we make this stuff in America? I said “cheap Chinese goods” and you said “Prada and Armani”. I said most of the Chinese stuff we get isn’t Prada or Armani and you say “well we don’t make Prada and Armani in the USA” You said, and once again, I quote you, “maybe the would stop selling us cheap clothing and electronics”, as if that was the worst thing that they could do. You did not seem to realize that things like iphones or armani or prada were made in China. Many luxury good are made in china, or are made from chinese manufactured parts. So, unless you are actually specifically retracting your point that all we will lose is “cheap clothing and electronics” you are incredibly wrong on this. But, you are right, we do get quite a number of cheap items from China too. Most of our clothes, and many of our electronics, quite a bit of furniture, pretty much all of our small hardware (screws, nuts, washers, that sort of thing) come from china. Losing access to those “cheap” clothes doesn’t mean we will be making them, it just means that we will be paying higher prices for everything. Losing chinese manufacturing, or having them raise their prices would raise prices on just about everything in the US. So yeah, trump could very well be responsible for increasing the cost of living or decreasing the standard of living for the average american consumer by a pretty significant amount. > [@](#): > > And wtf does that have to do with cheap Chinese goods? Nothing, nothing at all. Because there will not be cheap chinese good for much longer. That’s my point. > [@](#): > > No, we don’t need China more than they need us. That is absolute unadulterated ignorant bullshit. China’s economic model doesn’t work without an American export market. There are 1.2 billion people in China. 7+ billion in the world. 320 million or so in the US. Yes, we have money for the moment, but China is already developing other markets around the world. They are not beholden to us and our economy. If our country tanked right now, it would hurt them, but they would get through it much better than we do. If we tank in 5-10 years, they’ll be ready. > [@](#): > > I’m implying that most of the shit we buy from China is cheap clothing and cheap electronics, etc (cheap as in inexpensive). And soon, everything we get from china will not be cheap as in inexpensive, it will be expensive, as in expensive. > [@](#): > > Except it is true. Most of the stuff we buy from China is not high end goods. We probably couldn’t replace Chinese electronics domestically but places like korea and could probably reconstitute their electronics manufacturing pretty quickly. We buy plenty of high en goods from china. We also buy quite a bit of raw materiel to manufacturer goods from china. We also buy quite a bit of hardware to put those raw materials together from china. Unless you are conscientious about it, and specifically avoid such good, (and pay a premium for the privilege), at least half of what you buy on an everyday basis had something to do with china, even if the final assembly didn’t take place there. A trade war with China will not go well for the average american consumer. Why do you think otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/436 "2016-12-13T20:01:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You say that Trump is much worse than Clinton, and yet I have yet to hear jack from you about how exactly he is worse. Could you please elaborate on how exactly Trump is worse than Clinton? Well? You seem to have no problem with the repeated “Hillary am bad!” jabs, but if you _really_ believed that Trump was worse you you’d have no problem telling us why…unless you were being about as sincere with your rare “Trump is much worse” insert as the cigarette companies are with warnings on the sides of their product. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/437 "2016-12-13T20:06:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What damage does Trump plan to do to our country? Do you need a paper bag to help you stop hyperventilating? He plans to take everything he can from our country, and add to his own coffers. How much damage he does in the process is up in the air, but it is not something he seems to care about. Once again, bud, I am actually in a position to benift from trump presidency, short of him starting a nuclear war. So, giving me shit like your dig about hyperventilating is pretty fucking stupid on your part. > [@](#): > > Hillary is horrible. Smart or stupid, the facts don’t change. Your blind rage of hatred of her is making you froth again. Keep that paper bag for yourself. > [@](#): > > I think Trump was much worse than Hillary. That doesn’t mean Hillary isn’t bad. No one is great. If bernie had run, he would have lost too. Biden wouldn’t have had a chance. Warren, no she definitely was not ready to run. Who did you want? Who got blocked by hillary that you would have wanted to run? You keep hating on hillary, but you never actually talk about what type of person you think would have beat trump. > [@](#): > > I have been criticizing Hillary for a long time now. Losing to a living bobblehead like Trump just gave me another reason to criticize her. > > And how exactly am I defending Trump? What action of his have I defended? AFAICT, I have only been trying to talk down the hyperventilating liberals like you. You keep saying that we should wit to see what he actually does in office before we judge him, rather than judging him based on what he said he would do when he was in office. Once again, bud, not hyperventilating. But I am needing to get a tissue to wipe your froth off my face. > [@](#): > > I think Trump was worse than Hillary. That is why I reluctantly voted for her. But my admission that a reasonable person could see her as the greater evil does not mean that I believe this. I will admit that an ignorant or a stupid person could see her as the greater evil. But I do not agree that a well informed and reasonable person would come to that conclusion. Every reason I heard people harping about reasons why she was evil were either completely fabricated, or massively blown out of proportion. The only people who could have felt that way are single issue voters, and I think that most of them (on both sides) are more of a problem to our country than a benefit. > [@](#): > > I think there are a lot of people on this site that think that only racists and retards could have voted for Trump and that is why we lost to begin with. Nah, you do have your racists and “retards”, but you also have your single issue voters and the gullible. In your insistence that we are simplifying things too much, you are simplifying things too much. Anyone that voted for trump that did not do so because they are terrified of people killing babies, taking their guns, or calling them out on their bigotry did so because they believed the lies of trump and the fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/438 "2016-12-13T21:08:42Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > If none of that would be enough to have destroyed anyone else’s chances, what about Russia and his ties to them??? > > He is Putin’s bitch. That’s pretty serious. What ties? AFAICT, Russia hacked the emails of the DNC and exposed the bias within the DNC. Then they hacked the emails of a Democratic operative at a major media outlet that passed debate questions to Hillary. Which of those were secrets that should have been kept hidden? How does that make him Putin’s bitch? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/439 "2016-12-13T21:22:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You say that Trump is much worse than Clinton, and yet I have yet to hear jack from you about how exactly he is worse. Could you please elaborate on how exactly Trump is worse than Clinton? A large part of his campaign was based on stoking xenophobia (and as a minority, I have trouble voting for racists). He is much less prepared for public office than Hillary, he is almost wholly unprepared. He is crass and undiplomatic. He will almost certainly do something deeply embarrassing over the next 4 years. But I don’t think he will start WWIII or sell America to the Russians or create muslim concentration camps. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/440 "2016-12-13T21:30:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > A large part of his campaign was based on stoking xenophobia (and as a minority, I have trouble voting for racists). > > He is much less prepared for public office than Hillary, he is almost wholly unprepared. > > He is crass and undiplomatic. > > He will almost certainly do something deeply embarrassing over the next 4 years. > > But I don’t think he will start WWIII or sell America to the Russians or create muslim concentration camps. So why did you become part of the problem, if you sincerely thought he was worse? You did your fucking best to convince people that Hillary was Horrible, and you(and others like you who spent most of their time bashing Clinton) share a bit of the blame for what happened. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=23)