# "Is it that the Dems don't understand white, working-class America?" No, that's not it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291 "2016-11-28T16:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/61 "2016-11-29T04:47:46Z")
Just hoping that his worst day isn’t all of ours too. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/62 "2016-11-29T04:50:51Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Take a gander at [this chart](https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=corn) and tell me farm subsidies are on the upswing. Aside from a few blips they’ve been declining for years. I know little about farm subsidies but did notice you picked “progcode=corn.” I tried a few alternatives and concluded you may have cherry-picked ‘corn’ to make this point. 😛 Even with the reductions, the federal government spends more on agriculture assistance than it spends on Head Start, Child Care and Development Block Grants, and Child care tax credits _combined_. But of course all these programs are almost irrelevant to the question _Where does all that money go?_ Defense spending exceeds all other discretionary spending combined. Interest on the debt exceeds $200 billion annually and will double in four years under Trump’s “Plan.” A good rule-of-thumb is that anyone complaining about government spending hasn’t the slightest clue where the money is actually spent. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/63 "2016-11-29T04:53:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It’s simple. We didn’t get the guys we wanted. They all dropped out. Trump was the only one left. He was my 4th choice. > > But the bottom line is that Trump on his worst day will still be a better President than Clinton on her best day. There it is. And an actual piece of shit lying on my tongue is better than you on your best day. You _embody_ absolutely everything the OP keeps talking about with your complete and utter lack of understanding, knowledge, and interest in learning, and I maintain that the world would be a better place without you and people like you. I mean, holy shit: > [@Do we need a "Trump" forum?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-need-a-trump-forum/773306/23): > > Not just no, but hell, no. We went 8 years without an Obama’s Fuckups forum; we don’t need a Trump forum. > > Well, wait. On second thought, it might be nice to have one. That would get all the liberal whining and pissing and moaning cornered in a single place where it could be easily ignored. Not such a bad idea after all. Are you clinically retarded? Have you gotten yourself checked recently? Please, I _encourage_ you to do so before you become a Darwin award. Then again, if you haven’t pulled it off by now, I’m not sure why. Maybe you’re just _obscenely_ lucky. Why are you even here? Have you made a single post worth reading, or that _didn’t_ contribute to extreme ignorance, in the last 16 _fucking_ years that you’ve been here? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/64 "2016-11-29T05:33:14Z")
No, seriously, why is this guy still around? In 16 years, he’s contributed nothing to the fight against ignorance except a case study in how fucking _futile_ it is! He’s either a bad troll or fucking 5 years old. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/65 "2016-11-29T05:40:05Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > No, seriously, why is this guy still around? He’s right wing, so he gets catered to and treated with extra deference. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/66 "2016-11-29T11:01:06Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > There’s an old saying that some learn by being told, some learn by seeing, and others just have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. That’s what we thought 8 years ago. That’s what we’ve thought for DECADES! “ **SURELY** , now after 8 years of a George Bush administration that even Republicans grew to despite, SURELY America has learned our lesson!” Took TWO FUCKING YEARS before Republicans retook Congress again. Then we follow up with 8 years of a guy that despite unprecedented opposition even flipped [GLEN BECK](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/14/glenn-beck-tries-out-decency)?!?!?! Nope! Donald Trump! Face it. American voters don’t give a shit about truth, or temperament, or decency. If Democrats want to win, we need to reality TV this shit. I didn’t support Bernie in the primary because I thought he was too far out of the Democratic mainstream to be an appropriate choice. I was wrong. Should have chosen Bernie and he should have ran on the platform of a national lottery to shit on the desk of the Wall Street CEO of your choosing. That’s the shit people respond to. > [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > A. Permanent stalemate This is what I’d go with. Can’t gerrymander states so Democrats will usually have a chance for power in the Senate but I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re looking at a 20+ year Republican congressional majority basically stymieing any sort of significant Democratic legislation for decades. Maybe at some point in the distant future liberals will have self-selected out of red states and things will be polarized enough for some sort of split to happen. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/67 "2016-11-29T12:12:37Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > … In 16 years, he’s contributed … He’s either a bad troll or fucking 5 years old. I’m not particularly good at math, but c’mon now. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/68 "2016-11-29T12:51:34Z")
Or maybe he had the last two words’ pluralizations reversed, but that would be a more appropriate unfounded accusation against yet another wuckfit. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/69 "2016-11-29T13:19:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I know little about farm subsidies but did notice you picked “progcode=corn.” I tried a few alternatives and concluded you may have cherry-picked ‘corn’ to make this point. 😛 You concluded wrong. [Here](https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=totalfarm®ionname=theUnitedStates) is a graph of all agricultural commodity subsities, and the picture looks even bleaker. > [@](#): > > Even with the reductions, the federal government spends more on agriculture assistance than it spends on Head Start, Child Care and Development Block Grants, and Child care tax credits _combined_. You are missing the point that these people derive some of their personal worth from work and would prefer even subsidized work to handouts, perpetual war, or some nebulous, indirect form of social engineering. I’m not making a value judgment, but preferring to work for a wage is a rational choice, and maintaining food security through surplus production is sound policy. > [@](#): > > But of course all these programs are almost irrelevant to the question _Where does all that money go?_ That question is irrelevant to the point I’m making, which is whether rural white Americans can rightly say that the government is putting their interests, as they see them, at the very back of the line. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/70 "2016-11-29T13:45:45Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Take a gander at [this chart](https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=corn) and tell me farm subsidies are on the upswing. Aside from a few blips they’ve been declining for years. You’re reading stuff into that chart that isn’t there. (And that’s for only a single crop.) > [@](#): > > The 1990’s called, they want their… well… Bill Clinton were the ones who ended “welfare as we know it” with a hefty dose of “superpredator” undertones. Yes, I mentioned welfare reform having taken place 20 years ago in the post you’re responding to. But like I said, what they hear about welfare is from Fox and Rush and the rest of wingnut talk radio. And from listening to them, you wouldn’t know welfare reform happened; they’re still preaching that blacks are lazing around and living large on the white man’s dime. > [@](#): > > As far as I’m aware, no self-respecting liberal buys into that bullshit anymore. And this message gets through to rural Americans, how? Is _Mother Jones_ widely read in Nebraska? > [@](#): > > They’ve just directed that condescension against the poor confused white people now. No, Rush Limbaugh _tells_ them that liberals look down on them, and they believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/71 "2016-11-29T13:47:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > [@Eonwe](#): > > > > And, so, I wish people would stop obsessing about how dumb Republicans are, and instead start working on how to communicate with them in positive and constructive ways. > > It cannot be done. > > Trying to do so for decades and failing utterly is one of the problems the Democrats have; they keep wasting effort trying to persuade people who cannot be reasoned with or appealed to. It just drives people away who see it as a betrayal when the Democrats keep trying to suck up to bigots. So what’s the answer? If the problem is that not enough people are voting for the party that has the best answers to America’s future, how do you suggest we solve it? Also, learning to communicate and work with people who are in a dramatically different place than you is not “sucking up”, nor is it equivalent to saying, as **cuauhtemoc** suggests, “calm down, everything’s fine.” What it _ **is** _ is an answer to the question: “if half the people, for a myriad of reasons, are confused about the right thing to do during elections, how to we help them to see more clearly?” You, and others in this thread, say that it has proven to be a “wasted effort” to try to reason with the stupid bigoted idiots who make up ~1/2 of the country’s electorate. To that I say “of course!” None of us use reason as a foundation for any kind of decision making, we use feelings. Of course the idea that if we lay out clear, reasoned facts, people just oughta come around to our position fails, because none of us (very few of us) came to our position that way in the first place; that’s not how it works. This is where ‘traditional’ communication from the Democratic party falls on its face. The problem isn’t stupid Republicans; we’re all stupid. Democrats just refuse to admit that they are too. Ultimately, we’re never going to be a one party country. There will always be varying sides to a myriad of issues. There will be times when one philosophy is dominant in governance and times when another is. Making America a better place is not about ensuring that Republicans never win office. It’s about ensuring that whoever is in charge is able and willing to have compassion for those who are not. It’s about ensuring that, regardless of who is in power, we try to build communities where all the members are willing to live in relative peace together. Sometimes this means the ‘losers’, minorities, disenfranchised, have to do the work of pulling things together and building the bridges; we’re the ones with the most to lose, and whose interest is most directly served by doing so. It’s maybe not “fair,” but it is eminently practical. So again I say, how are you going to get your ideas represented in your government? If you think calling your neighbors stupid bigots is going to do the trick, have at it, but I think you’ll find that that strategy continues to “fail utterly.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/72 "2016-11-29T14:02:02Z")
Bill Clinton was the only man with the magic to appeal to both minorities and working class white people. I don’t know if anyone else can do it at this time in our history. I think it’s very possible that there’s a big chunk of working class white people who are reflexively hostile to anything that benefits minorities and gay/trans people, and will not vote for such candidates no matter what. But the good news for Democrats is that we don’t need to, at least at the presidential level. All we need are inspiring and politically-skilled candidates to win at the presidential level. An A-level candidate like Obama won huge in '08 and big in '12 on the strength of motivating minorities, young people, and liberal white voters. A B-level candidate (maybe John Edwards without his scandal?) would still have won easily in '08 and solidly in '12, most likely (a C-level, like Hillary or Kerry, would have only won in '08, I think). That’s all we need to win. But we need good candidates to win them – not just experienced and solid public servants, but charismatic and inspiring campaigners. Early possibilities for '20 – Bernie (despite his age); Liz Warren; Cory Booker; Kirsten Gillibrand; Kamala Harris; Xavier Becerra; Al Franken (a TV vet to take on Trump); and many others. I hope they all run. I think it’s doubtful that any of them are A-level candidates like Bill Clinton or Obama, but hopefully there are a few B-level folks among them. Good Democratic turnout would have won this year. We just need better candidates. I was wrong about Hillary and I want to learn from my mistake, hopefully other Democrats and liberals do too. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/73 "2016-11-29T14:03:15Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > You are missing the point that these people derive some of their personal worth from work and would prefer even subsidized work to handouts, perpetual war, or some nebulous, indirect form of social engineering. I’m not making a value judgment, but preferring to work for a wage is a rational choice, and maintaining food security through surplus production is sound policy. So these people are OK with subsidized work? Reminds me that one of the first Reagan-era cuts was to exactly that sort of program, CETA, the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act. And Lord knows that the urban equivalent of the CCC has been proposed enough times, and smacked down by conservatives enough times, to make me conclude that their attitude is ‘_my_ subsidized work is right and good, but _those people’s_ subsidized work is a handout.’ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/74 "2016-11-29T15:12:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And an actual piece of shit lying on my tongue is better than you on your best day. You _embody_ absolutely everything the OP keeps talking about with your complete and utter lack of understanding, knowledge, and interest in learning, and I maintain that the world would be a better place without you and people like you. I mean, holy shit: > > Are you clinically retarded? Have you gotten yourself checked recently? Please, I _encourage_ you to do so before you become a Darwin award. Then again, if you haven’t pulled it off by now, I’m not sure why. Maybe you’re just _obscenely_ lucky. Why are you even here? Have you made a single post worth reading, or that _didn’t_ contribute to extreme ignorance, in the last 16 _fucking_ years that you’ve been here? Why do you have hate in your heart? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/75 "2016-11-29T15:35:23Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He’s right wing, so he gets catered to and treated with extra deference. Horsey sauce. **Clothahump** is a brazenly ignorant, shallow-minded dunce who represents the nadir of the common denominator and is treated exactly as such. This election appears to have snipped your last gossamer tether to reality. Hope you float somewhere nice. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/76 "2016-11-29T15:52:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think it’s very possible that there’s a big chunk of working class white people who are reflexively hostile to anything that benefits minorities and gay/trans people, and will not vote for such candidates no matter what. Beyond “possible” - definitely. It’s not that LBGQT and others are “getting something,” it’s that the middle of the working class in most areas feel that they aren’t getting anything - that all the change and economic fixes and Obamacare and so forth haven’t addressed any of their problems. Never mind that they probably live better lives for most of these programs, it’s only a matter of “still above water” and not “improved.” As long as they see other groups getting things that appear to improve their lives, they’re going to be resentful for being just propped up in dying/dead industrial areas where the jobs evaporated. Their kids have to win a tight job lottery or leave - and I understand their pain here. It wasn’t supposed to be like that. I agree with the general sentiment in this thread that it’s time to stop trying to placate this segment of the voters; they can either figure out that their boats, too, are largely lifted by the same policies that benefit those in more flourishing areas and job markets, and that the blame lies far beyond the current administration or any potential next one; either that, or just sulk and vote for meaningless promises (and against all “worthless incumbents”) cycle after cycle. But they are - or need to be made - irrelevant to national governance. (I guess they can fuck up their own town/county/state as much as they care to, and hello Kansas.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/77 "2016-11-29T16:01:11Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Horsey sauce. **Clothahump** is a brazenly ignorant, shallow-minded dunce who represents the nadir of the common denominator and is treated exactly as such. > > This election appears to have snipped your last gossamer tether to reality. Hope you float somewhere nice. I think **DT** was interpreting “No, seriously, why is this guy still around?” as “How is it this guy has not been banned”. I think that’s a reasonable interpretation of that statement, and **DT** has longed claimed the mods here are biased towards conservatives. Not that I disagree with your second paragraph… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/78 "2016-11-29T16:12:44Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’m not particularly good at math, but c’mon now. A series of 5-year-olds, getting a new one each year. > [@octopus](#): > > Why do you have hate in your heart? Because of people like Clothahump, the world is a worse place. Not just a little worse, but potentially a _lot_ worse, in ways that he should have been smart enough to figure out (god knows most of the rest of the world was), but somehow wasn’t. His stupidity and the stupidity of people like him has essentially destroyed my homeland’s reputation, and may very well destroy a whole lot more in the next four years. And you wonder why I hate him and what he stands for. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/79 "2016-11-29T16:20:25Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No; the Democrats \*have \*tried to help for decades, and been totally ignored by the local people while the Republicans do their best to wreck everything there. These people just voted their own enemies into power. This is not exactly true; Democrats and Republicans both have been happy to enrich themselves on the backs of working- and middle-class voters for decades. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/80 "2016-11-29T16:30:59Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > So what’s the answer? If the problem is that not enough people are voting for the party that has the best answers to America’s future, how do you suggest we solve it? What’s wrong with the idea I proposed? I will post it again. > [@ywtf](#): > > All of this is to say, the Dems can’t afford to keep crying over working class whites who are biased against them. Winning elections requires energizing people who are the most likely to support you, and that happens to encompasses many more demographic groups than just the ones living in the rust belt. Why can’t we talk about that motley crew for once? There are more in that group than the one that keeps being the subject of all of these essays. To be explicit, the demographic groups I’m talking about are African Americans, Latinos, Asians, Muslims, college students, recent immigrants, LGBT, and educated whites. These are groups that are the least susceptible to anti liberal bias. Voter turnout was not as high it could have been from these groups too, and [that is why Trump won.](http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/omribenshahar/2016/11/17/the-non-voters-who-decided-the-election-trump-won-because-of-lower-democratic-turnout/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/) Why does it seem I’m having to point this out a million times on this board? It’s not like the election results don’t show this pretty clearly, so I don’t know why the topic of conversation hasn’t moved past white rural voters yet. America’s fixation with this group is adding to the surreality of my reality right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=5)