# "Is it that the Dems don't understand white, working-class America?" No, that's not it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291 "2016-11-28T16:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/821 "2017-01-16T19:48:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > She was trying to run a mostly positive campaign, was mostly honest, and had real proposals to make the nation better. But that’s not what people wanted; they wanted lies, bigotry and malice. So she lost. How do your friends that voted for Trump explain their vote? Do they say they were enticed by his lies bigotry and malice? Trump won because Hillary was a very flawed, very weak candidate who ran a horrible campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/822 "2017-01-16T19:50:47Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Your “actual point” we already have heard a thousand times man. It was wrong and you are doing it to distract. It gets more wrong with each days news cycle. I was making my own point and you are working yourself into lathers just to say “retarded!” over and over again. You are basically the modern day version of a birther. So maybe you’re not retarded, just crazy. > [@](#): > > “Ohh someone sees trumps ties to russia. RETARDED!” What the fuck point could you possibly be making other than “Don’t look over there at what’s happening!!” > > The retard talk is not pointing the finger away from you. In fact it does the opposite. Nope I was right the first time. You’re retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/823 "2017-01-24T19:46:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You _should_ have to work to feed yourself and your children. Then why the hell are we talking about a universal basic income? To be free from coercion to work for slave wages, the UBI can’t be a stipend. What happens when almost all productivity is automated and the vast majority of the factors of production are owned by a tiny sliver of the population? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/824 "2017-01-24T19:50:57Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You’re normalizing donald and the election. You know, the thing we’re discussing now. WTF does that mean? Trump won the election (or more accurately Hillary lost it), what is there to normalize? > [@](#): > > “Hillary apologists”? Did you vote for her? Who’s apologizing for what? Yes, I voted for her. But I recognize her culpability in placing Donald Trump in the White house. > [@](#): > > Cheating? That too. > [@](#): > > Look at the guy who won this. Look at your own posts. What about em? > [@](#): > > Are you really saying after all this that donald is someone whose honor you can defend? Where do I defend anyone’s honor? You are equating criticism of Hillary with defense of Trump’s “honor”? roflmao > [@](#): > > If you are greasing the skids for donalds reign then you are seriously much more troubled than the voters on either side of this. Greasing the skids, wtf are you even talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/825 "2017-01-24T19:53:06Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Little holiday message for ya > > Fred Trump’s real estate fortune was hardly due to his faith in the free market, but instead stemmed from his reliance on government subsidies. He made his money building middle-class apartments financed by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). In 1954, when Donald was 8 years old, his father was subpoenaed to testify before the Senate Banking Committee on allegations that he had ripped off the government to reap windfall profits through his FHA-insured housing developments. At the hearings, the elder Trump was called on the carpet for profiteering off public contracts, including overestimating the construction costs of his projects in order to get larger mortgages from FHA. Under oath, he reluctantly admitted that he had wildly overstated the development costs. > > Donald has followed in his father’s corrupt footsteps. Trump’s career is littered with bogus businesses (like Trump University); repeated ripoffs of suppliers, contractors and employees whom he failed to pay for services rendered; and the misuse of the Trump Foundation to feather his own nest while trying to look like a philanthropist. Six of Trump’s businesses have gone bankrupt. Despite this, on April 18, 2015, Trump tweeted this falsehood: ”For all of the haters and losers out there sorry, I never went Bankrupt.” > > [http://www.salon.com/2016/12/18/donald-trumps-questionable-intelligence-all-those-false-claims-about-his-academic-record-and-derision-of-others-bespeak-profound-insecurity/](http://www.salon.com/2016/12/18/donald-trumps-questionable-intelligence-all-those-false-claims-about-his-academic-record-and-derision-of-others-bespeak-profound-insecurity/) You’re just throwing out random shit now, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/826 "2017-01-24T19:54:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Just a note: an apologist is not someone who apologizes. > > Apologist definition: “a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.” > > The word has nothing to do with apologizing (even though it sounds like it should). > > Carry on. Its been explained to him before but it isn’t sticking. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/827 "2017-01-24T20:05:38Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > The whiny little bitches thing is just astounding coming from you. But all too familiar psychologically I suppose. > > You voted for Hillary and you are here basically to punish her voters and complain about how bad a candidate she was, over and over and over. So wouldn’t that make you a nagging whiny little bitch? > > When anyone questions you your response is “But she was SOOOOOO bad!!!” Great way to fight ignorance huh? > > And amidst this you are spouting truisms and straw men and basically saying you don’t believe donald was that bad… really?! > > He said he was an authoritarian, and worse, and demonstrated it every day for a year, and you are basically ignoring and soft soaping that, making nice nice with the guy you voted against and claiming that this is just democracy in action, every day stuff. Maybe as a way to punish liberals here? Get a life. > > So why did you vote against donald? You said you had problems with him but it isn’t evident at all that you really did. I’m, sowwy. Did I hurt your feewings? Where do I say Donald isn’t that bad? Or do you think that any criticism of Hillary is an endorsement of Trump? Cuz you’re either with us or against us, amirite? And yes, this is democracy in action. You put up a shitty candidate who gets caught cheating and sucking up to the plutocracy, then you lose. What is my problem with Donald? He was stoking racism. He was normalizing bigotry (see how I use the word normalizing there, wtf does normalizing trump mean?). He is entirely unprepared and if he ever gets that 3 am call, I don’t have a lot of confidence in how he would respond to that call. He is embarrassing on the international stage and is almost sure to become more embarrassing as time goes on. He is a bobblehead and Hillary put that fucking bobblehead in the goddam white house. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/828 "2017-01-24T20:09:11Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > She won the primary because more people voted for her, not because of the debates. She probably would have won the primary if she hadn’t even showed up to the debates. Bernie’s a great guy, but he didn’t really have a chance. Sure, she probably would have won but we will never know because she cheated. Do you think she would have won if we knew she cheated before the primary was done? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/829 "2017-01-24T20:14:29Z")
Apologies. The last few pages of this thread didn’t load for some reason so I replied to old posts. I moderators want to delete posts 823 to 828 as well as this one, it would avoid some confusion and make me look like less of an idiot, both very worthy causes. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/830 "2017-01-25T10:42:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How do your friends that voted for Trump explain their vote? I don’t have any; if someone did that, they would no longer be my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/831 "2017-01-25T16:19:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I don’t have any; if someone did that, they would no longer be my friend. And you don’t think that is a problem? You don’t think that you might be shutting yourself in exactly the sort of bubble that let Trump win? I know good decent honest people who voted for Trump because they had different views on which was the lesser evil. I think they were wrong but they think I was wrong. I acknowledge that they have some valid points and they acknowledge that I have valid points. In the end, about half of them would have voted for Bernie over Trump. Almost ALL of them would have voted for Biden over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/832 "2017-01-25T19:03:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You are basically the modern day version of a birther. So maybe you’re not retarded, just crazy. > > Nope I was right the first time. You’re retarded. Well I wrote this stuff before christmas I would guess. Maybe some things have happened since then? But why let the world interfere with your “retard” shouting. I guess you’re operating on a very simple template, like a rat or something. See a name, make a defense for something in your mind, using the mentally challenged for your fun at the same time. Bravo! ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/833 "2017-01-25T19:10:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Apologies. The last few pages of this thread didn’t load for some reason so I replied to old posts. > > I moderators want to delete posts 823 to 828 as well as this one, it would avoid some confusion and make me look like less of an idiot, both very worthy causes. Dummi, What a huge fucking tell you just gave out huh? Are you even conscious? It doesn’t actually matter what happens in the world. Or what order the events happen in. You are going to repeat the same fucking scenarios regardless. Before the inauguration, after, what difference does it make? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/834 "2017-01-25T19:29:08Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Dummi, > > What a huge fucking tell you just gave out huh? Are you even conscious? > > It doesn’t actually matter what happens in the world. Or what order the events happen in. You are going to repeat the same fucking scenarios regardless. > > Before the inauguration, after, what difference does it make? WTF are you talking about snowflake? Your ideas and comments are just as retarded today as they were when you first wrote them so why would my reaction be different just because the inauguration has taken place? Did your ideas suddenly become less retarded? I mean aside from my error in not reading the date you posted the stuff I am responding to (this also happens to me with zombie threads), why in the WORLD would you think that my reaction would change because of the inauguration? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/835 "2017-01-25T20:08:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > WTF are you talking about snowflake? > > Your ideas and comments are just as retarded today as they were when you first wrote them so why would my reaction be different just because the inauguration has taken place? Did your ideas suddenly become less retarded? > > I mean aside from my error in not reading the date you posted the stuff I am responding to (this also happens to me with zombie threads), why in the WORLD would you think that my reaction would change because of the inauguration? Of course nothing would change for you. Because you are letting us know that your posts are not predicated on reality. Facts on the ground are of no consequence to you. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/836 "2017-01-25T21:13:50Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Of course nothing would change for you. Because you are letting us know that your posts are not predicated on reality. Facts on the ground are of no consequence to you. Please enlighten me and tell me why my response you should change now that Trump has been inaugurated. If you want to poke fun at me for failing to recognize that the last few pages of this thread had not loaded, that’s fair but isn’t it silly to criticize me for not changing my mind in the last week? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/837 "2017-01-25T21:51:33Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > The difference is that a person is born with their race but chooses their politics. I think part of Hillary’s problem was her assumption that race determines politics, or at least voting patterns. She assumed that blacks were going to turn out and vote for her just because they were black, and she was the Democrat. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/838 "2017-01-26T12:41:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I know good decent honest people who voted for Trump because they had different views on which was the lesser evil. No, you don’t. If they voted for Trump they were monsters, not decent people. They voted for bigotry, war, tyranny, torture, plagues, ignorance and poverty. Voting for Trump was an evil act. They’d have done less harm if they’d just gone out and shot someone to death. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/839 "2017-01-26T13:04:28Z")
Oh good Lord… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291/840 "2017-01-26T13:29:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I think part of Hillary’s problem was her assumption that race determines politics, or at least voting patterns. She assumed that blacks were going to turn out and vote for her just because they were black, and she was the Democrat. That’s an impressive bit of mind-reading, Kreskin. How do you do that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-that-the-dems-dont-understand-white-working-class-america-no-thats-not-it/773291.md?page=43)