He already say so: it is not his problem to solve, his time table is based on extending it to drop it on the future president.
Isn’t that just a bit presumptive of you to tell me what I know, never mind “precious well”?
Still, 51% of the voters disagreed with you in the 2004 election, so I will take your “objectively” with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the welcome (and the heads up), I appreciate it.
CS
[shrug] I was merely crediting you with the basic level of intelligence and perceptiveness to be excepted of a Doper, and particularly of a GD Doper. You affected to be astonished by the level of Bush-bashing in this forum, but you ought not to have been if your prior Internet posting/lurking experience in politically-concerned sites has not been limited to Free Republic and its ilk. Conservatives in this forum (and we have many, as you know if you’ve been following this one thread) might despise Bush-bashing, but none would pretend to be astonished by it.
Probably not true . . . but that’s another discussion.
I’ve never voted Democrat, but have recently been thinking of starting a thread for Bush voters who are unhappy.
That said, one of the reasons that you have trouble getting people to wade into a thread remotely like this one to defend Bush is that the venom from SDMB Bush-haters has possibly even passed the venom from Limbaugh. They both turn me off in the extreme. I won’t bother discussing even the few points I think Bush has done well on in a thread like this, because I expect to get only vitriol. I mean, pulling out the pretzel incident is just so irrelevent that I actually kind of feel sorry for people here who use it as a reason that Bush is an idiot.
I’ve said it so many times on this board, and I don’t recall anyone ever acknowledging it, but being an ass and name calling and generally screeching for your side without carefully reasoned arguments isn’t any better just because it’s done by a Democrat. I don’t recall that being done nearly as much here by conservatives, which is nice, because we already have our embarrassments on radio and tv. For some reason, the ratio seems to be switched for liberals: I know of few wacko liberals on broadcast, but the level of assumed righteousness among some on this board is just disappointing. It’s been noted by many here that you can’t start a thread about Bush or religion, especially Christianity (and some might say Scientology), without someone coming by to poop on it that same day.
I can’t say I was astonished, but I did think that a board dedicated to fighting ignorance would strive for a little more balance of opinion.
Apparently, I was wrong.
You were flat wrong in assuming “fighting ignorance” = “striving for balance of opinion.”
And so is Bernie Goldberg, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, etc., etc., etc.
So now it’s not just Ohio, but everywhere? 3,000,000 votes were fraudulant? I think we’re seeing new hights of cognitive dissonace here.
As far as I know no one has said one of Bush’s daughters looks like a dog, said his wife is a lesbian, or accused her of murder.
Not at all! Its simply a much more sudden version of “buyer’s remorse”. Thousands of voters in Ohio voted for Bush, and by the time they got outside to be polled about it, were so bitterly ashamed they said they voted for Kerry! Can’t blame them, really.
I don’t know who said that (I’m assuming Limbaugh, from the context here), but I’m already on record as denouncing that kind of thing, and him in particular.
Actually, I am harboring a secret hope that the Democrats make “vote for us, and if we get a majority we’ll impeach Bush” a centerpiece of their fall campaign. Sort of a “Contract on Bush” instead of a Contract with America as in the 90s. 
Now you’ve experienced one kind of thread on the SDMB, the “Bush sux and anyone who refuses to agree is an asshole” kind. The others you will encounter on your own, no doubt.
Stick around. There are some good folks sprinkled amid the assholes, not all of them conservative.
Regards,
Shodan
I can think of one.
Regards,
Shodan
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Certainly not just Ohio. Check out chapter 4 of Greg Palast’s new book, Armed Madhouse, and read about what was done to suppress votes in the predominantly Indian and Latino precincts of New Mexico. Covers a lot of other states, too. That election might have beens stolen even if no machines were rigged. There’s also disproportionate spoilage of minority voters’ and poor voters’ ballots, disproportionate disallowance of their mail-in ballots, absentee ballots, and provisional ballots, and a lot of other cutesiness.
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No, Limbaugh once called Chelsea Clinton the White House dog.
See posts 21 and 22 in this thread. The original material linked by Dewey is no more, but its contents may be inferred by gobear’s immediate concession.
Yes, you were. quite wrong, but not where you think. Fighting ignorance refers to the realm of fact, not the realm of opinion. *First * you get the facts, *then * you derive opinions from them. F’rex, “Water is wet” is a statement of fact, not a mere assertion of opinion that can be properly balanced by an equal-time counterassertion that “Water is dry.”
Confusing fact with opinion is derided here, yes. And it damn well *should * be, and hardly just here.
Now, let’s explore such a situation, shall we?
If there’s no time scale involved, it’s not a timetable, is it? If it’s “predicated on events on the ground” that show no sign of actually starting to happen, it isn’t connected with the realm of fact in any other way, either.
See how it works now? Stick around, you might learn something, or teach the rest of us something.
So, we’re talking about “cutesiness” now… Show me precisely how many votes have been definitively determined in a court of law to have been defrauded. Otherwise, all you’ve got is a bunch of empty accusation.
Whine all you want, the fact is Kerry lost. The first thing the Democrats have to do in order to win next time is to recognize that fact.
It’s not an empty accusation. The results were pretty suspicious and that suspicion at least, is justified. Maybe Kerry lost, maybe he didn’t. I guess we’ll never know. The IMPORTANT thing is to make sure we have a paper trail this time.