# Is it time to leave yet? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 30, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748 "2018-10-30T22:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/41 "2018-10-31T02:14:12Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > There’s a phrase for people who support white supremacists because they lowered taxes. It’s “people who support white supremacists”. Excellently put. This, _exactly_. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/42 "2018-10-31T02:14:43Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > This is why the Democratic party struggling. Calling Trump a white supremacist a bigoted load of nonsense. Grow a real platform and stop the hate. Trump is a white supremacist. He ran on a platform of racism, misogyny, nativism and islamophobia. His audience loved it and ate it up. Trumps white nationalism is a feature, not a bug. Pointing these facts out isn’t hate. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/43 "2018-10-31T02:36:23Z")
> [@dolphinboy](#): > > … I won’t stand by and endorse it by doing nothing. … I don’t mean to pick on you, but how is moving to Canada an improvement on doing nothing? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/44 "2018-10-31T02:37:03Z")
> [@dolphinboy](#): > > …but the rest of us now face a decision. Stick around and hope we can reverse what is happening, or seek out greener pastures? (post shortened) I see no reason for you to stick around. Are you planning on legally emigrating, or will you simply enter another country as a tourist, and then refuse to leave? I’m pretty sure there are 192 other countries in the world that will insist that you follow their immigration policies, regulations, and laws before they accept you as a citizen, or as an over-extended tourist. There may even be a waiting list to get in. It may also be difficult for you to find work in another country (not that you’ll ever need a job, of course) without having legally entered their country. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/45 "2018-10-31T02:43:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > What’s upsetting you most? Record GDP growth? North Korea scaling back their nuclear saber rattling? lowest unemployment in half a century? reduced taxes and increased tax revenue? acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and putting our embassy there? Renegotiating NAFTA? Cancelling the mail agreement with China that was made back in the 60’s to help them economically? Screening people more thoroughly from hostile countries? Talking Germany into building dock facilities for liquefied natural gas as a hedge against Russian energy influence that’s plagued countries like Poland? > > The changes in the last 2 years have been substantial in a positive way despite an unrelenting demonization of Trump. If this bothers you then it makes sense for you to leave. The real world awaits you and a sincere “all the best”. Child abuse as official government policy on the border. America’s total indifference to competence in politicians Constant demonization of non-whites, non-christians, women, foreigners, etc. Putting a remorseless sex offender on the supreme court A sham FBI investigation into Kavanaugh Trumps ties to Russia Trump possibly taking bribes from foreign nations Trump being pro-torture Electing a sex predator like Trump, and nearly electing a sex predator like Roy Moore Writing off all legitimate criticism as ‘fake news’ if it doesn’t say what you want to hear, meanwhile believing endless lies and propaganda in their conservative propaganda safe spaces. attacks on an independent press angry, irrational mobs who want their political opponents imprisoned on fabricated charges After years of attacking Hillary for her emails, total indifference to Trump using personal cell phones and unsecured wifi. attacks on an independent judiciary attacks on independent law enforcement attempts to overturn the constitution via executive order (the 14th amendment) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/46 "2018-10-31T02:46:38Z")
This too shall pass. Stay and fight, be active, reverse the hate and the narrow-minded stupidity. We’ve overcome a lot though not all of prejudice. Pete & Woody kept up the fight. One brave woman refused to give up her seat and changed the world, why let a TV reality show asshole chase you from the country. I willingly serve this nation when I was young. I am not giving up now. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/47 "2018-10-31T02:49:39Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Excellently out . This, _exactly_. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/48 "2018-10-31T02:52:28Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Child abuse as official government policy on the border. > > America’s total indifference to competence in politicians > > Constant demonization of non-whites, non-christians, women, foreigners, etc. > > Putting a remorseless sex offender on the supreme court > > A sham FBI investigation into Kavanaugh > > Trumps ties to Russia > > Trump possibly taking bribes from foreign nations > > Trump being pro-torture > > Electing a sex predator like Trump, and nearly electing a sex predator like Roy Moore > > Writing off all legitimate criticism as ‘fake news’ if it doesn’t say what you want to hear, meanwhile believing endless lies and propaganda in their conservative propaganda safe spaces. > > attacks on an independent press > > angry, irrational mobs who want their political opponents imprisoned on fabricated charges > > After years of attacking Hillary for her emails, total indifference to Trump using personal cell phones and unsecured wifi. > > attacks on an independent judiciary > > attacks on independent law enforcement > > attempts to overturn the constitution via executive order (the 14th amendment) Paying off a porn star with campaign funds? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/49 "2018-10-31T02:56:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t mean to pick on you, but how is moving to Canada an improvement on doing nothing? Yeah, how would your leaving actually make anything any better? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/50 "2018-10-31T02:58:56Z")
Well, I ain’t going no-where. I like America. Our constitution still stands. Laws are laws and I insist they be enforced. Trump can’t change the constitution without the Congress and no one wants that. His day will come. I hope I am alive and well to witness it. I am optimistic this, too will pass. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/51 "2018-10-31T03:03:09Z")
> [@dolphinboy](#): > > … When they start taking away my social security benefits that I have been paying into for 40 years that will be the last straw. What does this mean? It sounds ominous. You do realize you’ve just been paying (FICA) taxes for the last 40 years, right? “my social security benefits” only exist as long as [fed.gov](http://fed.gov) want them to. If they change the law, then that’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/52 "2018-10-31T03:06:38Z")
Sorry, DolphinBoy, a legal request for Asylum comes at the FIRST safe country. Asylum seekers typically are NOT deportees from the U.S. nor do Asylum-seekers march waving their Countries Flag while demanding entry. Reality is weird that way. Now, go play with Flipper. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/53 "2018-10-31T03:06:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What does this mean? It sounds ominous. > > You do realize you’ve just been paying (FICA) taxes for the last 40 years, right? “my social security benefits” only exist as long as [fed.gov](http://fed.gov) want them to. If they change the law, then that’s that. And you think it is really that simple? They fed citizens a promise of retirement help as American’s suck at saving money on their own and corporate raiders have trashed so many pensions. They can not simply end Social Security. ETA: not worth it ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/54 "2018-10-31T03:10:56Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Child abuse as official government policy on the border. > > America’s total indifference to competence in politicians > > Constant demonization of non-whites, non-christians, women, foreigners, etc. > > Putting a remorseless sex offender on the supreme court > > A sham FBI investigation into Kavanaugh > > Trumps ties to Russia > > Trump possibly taking bribes from foreign nations > > Trump being pro-torture > > Electing a sex predator like Trump, and nearly electing a sex predator like Roy Moore > > Writing off all legitimate criticism as ‘fake news’ if it doesn’t say what you want to hear, meanwhile believing endless lies and propaganda in their conservative propaganda safe spaces. > > attacks on an independent press > > angry, irrational mobs who want their political opponents imprisoned on fabricated charges > > After years of attacking Hillary for her emails, total indifference to Trump using personal cell phones and unsecured wifi. > > attacks on an independent judiciary > > attacks on independent law enforcement > > attempts to overturn the constitution via executive order (the 14th amendment) You really need to stop drooling with rage. The rest of your claims are devoid of Reality. Obama, on the other hand… Such projection almost demands an intervention by loved ones. Do you have any? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/55 "2018-10-31T03:11:29Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > … They can not simply end Social Security. … Yes, they can. Politically, there isn’t currently the will to do it, but it’s just a federal law, like any other. What do you imagine would stop a willing Congress & President from repealing or amending it? It’s not like Social Security is listed in the Bill of Rights or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/56 "2018-10-31T03:13:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t mean to pick on you, but how is moving to Canada an improvement on doing nothing? I was born and raised in the USA. In 2010, I did, in fact, move to Canada, where I still reside. My life is better in some ways, worse in others. But on balance, the things that are worse are minor irritants (higher cost of living, worse postal system, weather) while the things that are better are much, much better (healthcare, for example). How does it help the US? I don’t know. I still vote, but my experience living abroad informs a lot of the way I vote. But I’m from California, so my individual vote matters very little, mathmatically. My existence provides a conduit for experiential information about what it’s like to live outside the US to flow back in, and what other ways of governing feel like. I’m not sure that it makes much difference: the people I know are already inclined to think like me, or else to dismiss me. But I don’t have to be embarrassed when I travel on a Canadian passport, so that’s something. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/57 "2018-10-31T03:14:19Z")
I’m staying. First, if everyone who’s disgusted with Trump and Co. leaves, it’s tantamount to ceding the country to the bad guys. They don’t get to take my country that easily. Second, if everyone who can gets out does, who advocates for those who can’t leave? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/58 "2018-10-31T03:15:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, they can. Politically, there isn’t currently the will to do it, but it’s just a federal law, like any other. What do you imagine would stop a willing Congress & President from repealing or amending it? It’s not like Social Security is listed in the Bill of Rights or anything. Again, you are being deliberately obtuse. Can they by law do it, YES, can they oe will they actually do it, Hell to the No, NO! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/59 "2018-10-31T03:17:11Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Well, I ain’t going no-where. I like America. Our constitution still stands. Laws are laws and I insist they be enforced. Trump can’t change the constitution without the Congress and no one wants that. His day will come. I hope I am alive and well to witness it. I am optimistic this, too will pass. Our Constitution needs to be rewritten. The danger is, it might be rewritten by the wrong people. But that doesn’t change the fact that America needs a new Constitution, and a new value system. We’re living with the legacy of race-based inequality, and as long as we use this constitution, that is what our country will be: racially, ethnically unequal. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/60 "2018-10-31T03:17:45Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I’m staying. First, if everyone who’s disgusted with Trump and Co. leaves, it’s tantamount to ceding the country to the bad guys. They don’t get to take my country that easily. Second, if everyone who can gets out does, who advocates for those who can’t leave? Yes, stay, if nothing else to piss of the likes of the trolls we’ve seen come out in this thread and celebrate all things Trump across the nation. I say this as an ex-Republican, but today’s party is not the party I was part of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748.md?page=4)