# Is it time to leave yet? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 30, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748 "2018-10-30T22:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/121 "2018-11-03T20:30:13Z")
I won’t turn and run. This is my country. The longest a president can last is 8 years, and the worst ones only 4. The Trump vultures are coming to roost, and even the Donaldists will see the damage done eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/122 "2018-11-03T22:11:43Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > I won’t turn and run. This is my country. The longest a president can last is 8 years, and the worst ones only 4. The Trump vultures are coming to roost, and even the Donaldists will see the damage done eventually. Trump isn’t really the problem. He’ll probably be gone in two years, certainly in six. Trump is a symptom. As far as I can see, nobody is really addressing the cultural and institutional failures that brought us Trump. Further, although his presidency may be quite short, the damage he has done already will take a longer than four years, or eight, to repair. He has drained the civil service of expertise; he has fostered a climate of corruption; he has put some seriously right-wing voices into the judiciary. So although he’ll be a memory soon, some of his legacy will last the rest of your life. The question is really how much, and how quickly and substantially will people get around to repairing it. So yes, as others have said, it’s a balance. Do you put your own quality life, and perhaps your immediate family’s, ahead of your country as a whole, and leave? I did, just as my ancestors did when they came to America. Or do you stay, and sacrifice for the greater good? I certainly admire that, but equally I think it’s reasonable to say that you only get one life, and you’re not willing to spend the rest of it pushing boulders uphill. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/123 "2018-11-04T12:05:40Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Trump isn’t really the problem. He’ll probably be gone in two years, certainly in six. Trump is a symptom. As far as I can see, nobody is really addressing the cultural and institutional failures that brought us Trump. Rather than a symptom, I like to think of Trump as a PET scan. Not really a pleasant experience by itself, but it shows you where the cancer is. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/124 "2018-11-04T15:00:30Z")
Funny how liberals all threaten to leave, but never do it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/125 "2018-11-04T15:48:28Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Funny how liberals all threaten to leave, but never do it. Well they tried it once and then Gerald Ford even pardoned them. So I guess it did work that time. There are plenty of ex-Pats living abroad, but keep making incorrect statements. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/126 "2018-11-04T18:38:13Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Funny how liberals all threaten to leave, but never do it. I am liberal. I left. Your statement is incorrect, though “almost never” is probably accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/127 "2018-11-04T19:02:51Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Funny how liberals all threaten to leave, but never do it. All liberals threaten to leave, huh? And you’re saying this in the middle of a thread where several “liberals” have said they wouldn’t leave. I swear sometimes I can actually see facts ricocheting off a conservative’s forehead. ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/128 "2018-11-04T21:46:49Z")
I don’t know if it will work for Americans (citizens of the USA) but education, even private “trade school” type career colleges can offer a way to enter Canada on a student/ work visa and work towards permanent residency. I teach at one for care aides and we have many many international students. Some have degrees and careers in their own countries, some were here on visitors visas and didn’t want to leave. Some are refugees. We actually sponsored a Syrian refugee to go through our program, and a year after her start she us employed making union wages and her life has changed dramaticly. Another poster up thread said please don’t co.e to Vancouver. We are aleeady overcrowded etc. I sort of agree. That’s where I am am. Rents are awful. But if you want to go back to school, even temporarily education may be your solution. Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_Ducky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrs_ducky/32/6227_2.png) [@Mrs\_Ducky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_Ducky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/129 "2018-11-04T21:52:13Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_Ducky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrs_ducky/32/6227_2.png) [@Mrs\_Ducky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_Ducky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748/130 "2018-11-04T21:56:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > What’s upsetting you most? Record GDP growth? North Korea scaling back their nuclear saber rattling? lowest unemployment in half a century? reduced taxes and increased tax revenue? acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and putting our embassy there? Renegotiating NAFTA? Cancelling the mail agreement with China that was made back in the 60’s to help them economically? Screening people more thoroughly from hostile countries? Talking Germany into building dock facilities for liquefied natural gas as a hedge against Russian energy influence that’s plagued countries like Poland? > > The changes in the last 2 years have been substantial in a positive way despite an unrelenting demonization of Trump. If this bothers you then it makes sense for you to leave. The real world awaits you and a sincere “all the best”. +1 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-leave-yet/823748.md?page=6)