# Is it Time to Tone Down the Wokeness, Especially about the Past? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 15, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287 "2024-11-15T15:14:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1028 "2025-01-24T21:03:27Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > “Black” and “African American” obviously don’t mean the same thing. I think you’re missing a large amount of sarcasm in that question. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1029 "2025-01-24T21:07:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I think you’re missing a large amount of sarcasm in that question. Oh … I wondered what that whistling sound was, thought we had a windstorm coming. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1030 "2025-01-24T21:09:27Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Funny, but the journalist obviously learned it as a replacement for ‘black’ or whatever word he grew up with - a name for a racial group Insert _The Major_ explaining the races in _Faulty Towers_ here. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1031 "2025-01-24T21:23:21Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Insert _The Major_ explaining the races in _Faulty Towers_ here I suppose I should watch it some time. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1032 "2025-01-24T21:28:11Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Ns0uRr6aPQE/hqdefault.jpg "Niggers & Wogs") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0uRr6aPQE) ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1033 "2025-01-24T21:47:14Z")
I thought ‘wog’ was Italian? No lie, I learned 90% of the racial slurs I know from this very forum. I guess that’s fighting ignorance of a kind? 🥴 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1034 "2025-01-24T21:48:48Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I thought ‘wog’ was Italian? No, that’s wop. > **[Wog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog)** > > Wog is a racial slur used to refer, in British English, to black and South Asian people, and, in Australian English, to people from the Mediterranean region. Whilst it is extremely derogatory in British English, in Australian English it may be considered non-offensive depending on how the word is used, due to reclamation and changing connotations. > In the United Kingdom, it has usually been employed against people of black and Desi origin or descent and maritime Southeast Asia and less typicall... > **[Wop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wop)** > > Wop is a pejorative term for Italians or people of Italian descent. > The Merriam-Webster dictionary states wop's first known use was in the United States in 1908, and that it originates from the Southern Italian dialectal term guappo, roughly meaning "dandy", or "swaggerer", derived from the Spanish term guapo, meaning "good-looking", "dandy", from Latin vappa for "sour wine", also "worthless fellow". > In Neapolitan and other Southern Italo-Romance varieties, guappo is pronounced roughly as wahp... ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1035 "2025-01-24T22:12:01Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > FYI, “it isn’t happening and it’s good that it is” is a common kind of gaslighting from ‘woke’ people, If it is so very common, findly provide some cites. Before anybody says I will not accept those cites, I made a claim/ took a position just a bit earlier in this very thread. Several posters provided cites and argumenst countering that claim/position. I deciced the way to get out of the hole was not to keep digging. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1036 "2025-01-24T22:15:23Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > If it is so very common, findly provide some cites. Are you requesting a spin-off thread in a different forum where the requested cites will never be posted? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1037 "2025-01-24T22:45:49Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > No, that’s wop. > > [Wog - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog) I feel like I could have happily lived my life without knowing any of this stuff. Shouldn’t this be the aim, that _everyone_ learns these words as a footnote in a history book? > [@DocCathode](#): > > If it is so very common, findly provide some cites. I have personally experienced this many times, but I can’t really cite lived experience. 🤷 I googled, and someone wrote an article about it: ~~theamerican conservative. com/its-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/~~ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1038 "2025-01-24T22:51:56Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I feel like I could have happily lived my life without knowing any of this stuff. So do I. Alas, other people had different ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1039 "2025-01-24T22:52:45Z")
I find this claim to be somewhat incredible. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1040 "2025-01-24T23:28:49Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I googled, and someone wrote an article about it: Fascinating, all that sturm and drang over the “mutilation” of children’s genitals and not a single mention of circumcision. It’s almost as if this has nothing to do with the what and is entirely about the why. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1041 "2025-01-24T23:31:57Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Fascinating, all that sturm and drang over the “mutilation” of children’s genitals and not a single mention of circumcision. You think circumcision is mutilation? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1042 "2025-01-24T23:35:45Z")
Umm, what do we call ‘female circumcision’? Is it ‘female genital mutilation’? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1043 "2025-01-24T23:48:15Z")
Are there many people defending that in America today? Or denying that it’s happening? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1044 "2025-01-24T23:50:06Z")
Ya know, this is the time where you should go ‘Yes, circumcision is mutilation but here’s why it’s OK and trans surgery isn’t’. But I’m not holding out any hope for that. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1045 "2025-01-24T23:54:41Z")
Er, what? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1046 "2025-01-25T00:00:10Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Are there many people defending that in America today? I wonder why that is? I mean it clearly can’t have anything to do with the consent, or lack there of, of the person who’s genitals are being ‘’‘mutilated’‘’ could it? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/1047 "2025-01-25T00:45:35Z")
Moderating: > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Fascinating, all that sturm and drang over the “mutilation” of children’s genitals and not a single mention of circumcision. > [@DemonTree](#): > > You think circumcision is mutilation? 🤨 > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Umm, what do we call ‘female circumcision’? > Is it ‘female genital mutilation’? > [@DemonTree](#): > > Are there many people defending that in America today? Or denying that it’s happening? > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Ya know, this is the time where you should go ‘Yes, circumcision is mutilation but here’s why it’s OK and trans surgery isn’t’. But I’m not holding out any hope for that. > [@DemonTree](#): > > Er, what? > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I wonder why that is? > I mean it clearly can’t have anything to do with the consent, or lack there of, of the person who’s genitals are being ‘’‘mutilated’‘’ could it? This thread is intended as a general discussion about wokeness and whether it should be “toned down,” not a thread to have a specific discussion about circumcision, male or female. Drop this discussion in this thread and take it elsewhere if you wish. Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287.md?page=52)