# Is it Time to Tone Down the Wokeness, Especially about the Past?

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**Created:** [November 15, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287 "2024-11-15T15:14:11Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/284 "2024-11-19T22:32:57Z")

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> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> But it _was_ not wanting to give equality to gay people, the _entire point_ of pushing “civil unions” was to impose a form of segregation on them. Just like racial segregation it wasn’t an attempt to progress, it was an attempt to write bigotry into the law, to make bigotry _mandatory._ And would likely stagnated progress on that front for decades at the best.

I searched the forum and at least one person did call Obama a bigot at the time:

> [@Let's not forget that Obama is a disgusting bigot](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-forget-that-obama-is-a-disgusting-bigot/471750):
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> Don’t get me wrong. I am glad he won. But Obama is a disgusting bigot who opposes same sex marriage.

> [@Miller](#):
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> Sorry for being “rigid” about standing up for my own civil rights. I should be more open to letting people treat me as a second class citizen, I guess.

Let’s say you want rights A, B and C. A has majority support, B is 50:50, but most people are opposed to C. Is it better to have a politician who promises to do A, and does A and possibly B if they have enough support, and meanwhile try to change people’s minds on C, or a politician who promises to do all 3 and risks losing the election and being unable to achieve anything? What if the opposition is a historically awful candidate who’s a threat to democracy in the US?

AFAIK the Harris campaign did tack towards the centre, so presumably they made this calculus. But it didn’t help or wasn’t enough to overcome the unfavourable economic situation and her ties to an unpopular Biden administration.

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