# Is it too late for America to Save Itself? **URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-too-late-for-america-to-save-itself/1000023 **Category:** Politics & Elections **Created:** [April 8, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-too-late-for-america-to-save-itself/1000023 "2024-04-08T21:16:35Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 22
### Author: ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius) #### Post date: [April 9, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-too-late-for-america-to-save-itself/1000023/22 "2024-04-09T02:29:42Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It took Germany being bombed into the dust and occupied by victors for the Nazis and their fellow travelers to learn their lesson. Without its participants learning a similar lesson, I don’t think MAGA is going to go away. > [@Aeschines](#): > > I think what we Liberals are going for _would_ end up making life better for MAGAs and calm them down. If we can achieve that, then yes, America can save itself. It pretty much comes down to this. When polled on individual issues, separately from Republican or Democrat issues, a large majority of Americans actually support the Democratic side on a lot of these “divisive issues”, but a lot of the Republicans don’t seem to realize it. So if there was a large enough shock to the system, large enough to actually wake those people up to the reality that supporting the GOP means losing on a lot of issues they actually do care about, you could Save America. The question is, how large a shock would do that? I thought COVID would be that shock, but clearly that was a mistake. But that gives us a baseline: Over a million US deaths over two years or so isn’t enough. Either more deaths in that time frame, or the same number of deaths in a shorter time frame might do it, but I’m out of the predictions game, beyond saying, “More.” --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-too-late-for-america-to-save-itself/1000023)._