# Is it up to gays and lesbians to put shut down NAMBLA? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485 "2015-02-24T03:41:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/21 "2015-02-24T04:33:03Z")
When are philatelists going to do something about junk mail, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/22 "2015-02-24T04:37:49Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > And? Do you are do you not identify as homosexual? Would or would not a member of NAMBLA (or any similar group) identify as homosexual? I am pretty sure that you would both identify your sexual orientation as the same. I would also agree that I and pedophiles are both air-breathing mammals. So friggin’ what? Would you, as a straight man put yourself under the same heading as the vast majority of pedophiles who molest little girls, since you are both heterosexual? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/23 "2015-02-24T04:39:54Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > The analogy is stupid and is irrelevant. It’s dead-on, and you’re frantically ducking it because it exposes the bigotry at the heart of your argument. > [@](#): > > The subject of this thread is whether gays should be responsible for shutting down NAMBLA. Why some of you insist on talking about a religion called Islam and Islamists in connection with that is beyond me:confused:. There’s a lot of things that are clearly beyond you, with honest debate being pretty high on the list. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/24 "2015-02-24T04:48:28Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > And? Do you are do you not identify as homosexual? Would or would not a member of NAMBLA (or any similar group) identify as homosexual? I am pretty sure that you would both identify your sexual orientation as the same. You are pretty sure that I would look at a guy trying to fuck a kid and say “Gee, our sexual orientations are the same because you are doing it with a nine-year-old male and I do it with grown men?” Yeah, right!:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/25 "2015-02-24T05:04:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Christians didn’t shut down Fred Phelps, so why are homosexuals supposed to shut down NAMBLA? Also, a great many Christians did denounce Phelps, and chastised him for the evil in his speech. A great many moderate Muslims denounce ISIS, and almost all gays join almost all straights in denouncing pedophilia. Where’s the debate here? Most moderates do denounce extremism. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/26 "2015-02-24T05:14:31Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > When are philatelists going to do something about junk mail, dammit. I laughed! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/27 "2015-02-24T05:18:30Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Where’s the debate here? The debate isn’t here, it’s [over here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=749654&page=4) This thread is a cheap and transparent ploy from **Valteron** to avoid answering difficult questions. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/28 "2015-02-24T05:21:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Christians didn’t shut down Fred Phelps, so why are homosexuals supposed to shut down NAMBLA? I’m not sure how either group could be “shut down” without using the First Amendment as toilet paper. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/29 "2015-02-24T05:47:20Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > I would also agree that I and pedophiles are both air-breathing mammals. So friggin’ what? Would you, as a straight man put yourself under the same heading as the vast majority of pedophiles who molest little girls, since you are both heterosexual? Or men who don’t rape women do something about the ones who do. This could go on forever. Personally, I think real Jews ought to be doing more to discredit “Jews for Jesus,” but I don’t get a lot of support. Agreement, but not people willing to actually do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/30 "2015-02-24T06:33:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > My position is that being the member of a population that includes subgroups that are evil does NOT place a special requirement on an individual to oppose that evil beyond the requirement that all people should resist evil, but with the understanding that everyone has finite resources and understanding regarding what might be evil or what actions could be undertaken. I’d say that there is something of a special requirement for Muslims. A Muslim terrorist is mostly going to know other Muslims, he’s going to mostly confide with other Muslims, etc. There’s very little that anyone else except Muslims can do to help staunch the extreme branches of Islamic thought. But, that has no bearing on the topic at hand because whereas there is an overlap between Muslims and Muslim Terrorists, there’s no more of an overlap between gay men and pedophiles as between straight men and pedophiles. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/31 "2015-02-24T06:57:02Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d say that there is something of a special requirement for Muslims. A Muslim terrorist is mostly going to know other Muslims, he’s going to mostly confide with other Muslims, etc. There’s very little that anyone else except Muslims can do to help staunch the extreme branches of Islamic thought. That is a steaming pile of BS. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting it. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/32 "2015-02-24T07:07:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That is a steaming pile of BS. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting it. Not really. I’d say the same thing for anyone. The people who are in a better position to stop bad things from happening, are more beholden to stop those bad things from happening than those who aren’t. Likely, that leaves an equal onus on each of us, but for each a different thing. Men, in general, have a higher onus to prevent other men from committing acts of rape; Europeans have a greater onus to see to it that the people of Greece don’t starve than Americans do; A Brazilian voter is more to blame if the rainforest is destroyed than a Swahili voter; and so on. The onus might be miniscule, but it is generally going to be higher since, like I said, it just comes down to the relative odds of your actually being able to impact that particular ill. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/33 "2015-02-24T07:08:17Z")
I guess you, like Valteron, are a stranger to logic. Your premise in post #30 has no foundation other than your wish that the premise be true. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/34 "2015-02-24T07:12:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I guess you, like Valteron, are a stranger to logic. Your premise in post #30, has no foundation other than your wish that the premise be true. I’d be hard pressed to come up with something that seems like a wish in what I said, so I suspect that you’re misreading me. Would you mind explaining? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/35 "2015-02-24T07:17:58Z")
Sure. Who posted this? > [@](#): > > A Muslim terrorist is mostly going to know other Muslims, he’s going to mostly confide with other Muslims, etc. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/36 "2015-02-24T07:22:00Z")
Won’t somebody _please_ think of the children! Just not _that_ way! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/37 "2015-02-24T07:26:08Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Sure. Who posted this? How is that a wish? People generally socialize with people of their own race/religion/etc. if for no other reason than geography. As a white guy, living in the US, I’m going to encounter a lot more Christian people, they’re more likely to talk to me, I’m more likely to find out what they’re thinking and doing, and I’m in a better position to prevent them from deciding to use God as an excuse to burn down an African American church or to shoot a doctor that practices abortions. I don’t wish for or against that, it’s just the way the dice rolled in my particular circumstances. I’m highly doubtful that I’ll ever have a chance to do anything about it, but I am more answerable to protecting against crazy Christian Fundamentalists than the aforementioned Swahili man since the odds are at least fractionally larger that I can have an impact. I’m not even a Christian, but geography demands that I have a higher impact than a man living in Kenya for this particular ill. Likewise, the Kenyan man has something for which he is slightly more answerable. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/38 "2015-02-24T10:46:49Z")
Right, I’m seeing vitriol and little debate. Off to the Pit with ye. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/39 "2015-02-24T11:23:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Still have a website, last updated March 13, 2014. You’re not at your work computer, I hope. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/40 "2015-02-24T11:39:16Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Does NAMBLA even actually exist as an organization? I have only heard it from the anti-gay bigots trying to lump homosexuality and pedophilia together. Those guys go door to door though my neighborhood pretty much every Saturday, and when I don’t answer, they leave Jesus pamphlets stuck in my door. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485.md?page=3)