# Is it up to gays and lesbians to put shut down NAMBLA? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485 "2015-02-24T03:41:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/41 "2015-02-24T13:28:04Z")
Us bald guys really need to do something about all the [supervillans](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BaldOfEvil) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/42 "2015-02-24T16:07:23Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > But, that has no bearing on the topic at hand because whereas there is an overlap between Muslims and Muslim Terrorists, there’s no more of an overlap between gay men and pedophiles as between straight men and pedophiles. Your flaw in this is in your definitions. There is indeed an overlap between \*Muslims \*and _ **Muslim** terrorists_. There is also an overlap between \*pedophiles \*and _ **gay** pedophiles_. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/43 "2015-02-24T16:49:06Z")
Out of curiosity, does **Valteron** use the word “irrelevant” a lot? I’ve noticed people who think debating consists of saying their opinion over and over again regularly dismiss people with that word. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/44 "2015-02-24T17:03:20Z")
This is weird debate \<\_\< The answer is no, gays don’t have an obligation to get rid of NAMBLA. Would be awfully nice of them though ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/45 "2015-02-24T17:48:06Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > This is weird debate \<\_\< > > The answer is no, gays don’t have an obligation to get rid of NAMBLA. Would be awfully nice of them though Except that’s already happened. NAMBLA doesn’t exist anymore, and it never really existed in the first place except one guy and a couple of people who subscribed to his newsletter. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/46 "2015-02-24T17:55:56Z")
They exist. Droves of them. I have the Jesus pamphlets to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/47 "2015-02-24T18:29:29Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Except that’s already happened. NAMBLA doesn’t exist anymore, and it never really existed in the first place except one guy and a couple of people who subscribed to his newsletter. Hurray for the gays! > [@bobot](#): > > They exist. Droves of them. I have the Jesus pamphlets to prove it. Damn it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/48 "2015-02-24T19:01:09Z")
And come to think on it, what are you doing about the Lovecraft-obssessed goth-dressing emos? Don’t you have a responsibility there? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/49 "2015-02-24T19:20:36Z")
Yog Sothoth is the key and the gate! Not their mommy. That’s Shub-Niggurath’s job ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/50 "2015-02-24T20:07:43Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Your flaw in this is in your definitions. There is indeed an overlap between \*Muslims \*and _ **Muslim** terrorists_. There is also an overlap between \*pedophiles \*and _ **gay** pedophiles_. What about gay Muslim pedophile terrorists and crackers? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/51 "2015-02-24T20:14:28Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Yog Sothoth is the key and the gate! In a congerie of glowing spheres lie a million autofellatio jokes. Ia ! Ia ! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/52 "2015-02-24T20:22:19Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe a better example for the other thread would have been, “Should gay people be expected to apologize for **Valteron**?” It would be better if they could shut him down. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/53 "2015-02-24T20:26:54Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Not really. I’d say the same thing for anyone. The people who are in a better position to stop bad things from happening, are more beholden to stop those bad things from happening than those who aren’t. Likely, that leaves an equal onus on each of us, but for each a different thing. Men, in general, have a higher onus to prevent other men from committing acts of rape . . . I have to agree with this. I don’t see how **Monty** concludes it’s illogical. A lot of rapes are committed by college fraternity members: thus, college fraternities are a good place to concentrate on prevention, and most college fraternity members know this and would agree with it. They participate in anti-rape consciousness-raising willingly, because they don’t want the actions of some of their members to dirty their name. Any group must spend some effort on internal cleansing. It’s an unfortunate consequence of the fact that there are rotten stinkers within any large group of people. This applies to a fraternity of 40 members, or a religion with 40 million. And how in the name of hell is it “illogical” to suggest that Muslims are more likely to talk to other Muslims about their plans? Human society is like that for all associative groups. (e.g., not for “left-handed people,” because they don’t tend to associate preferentially with each other. But religious groups are associative groups.) ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/54 "2015-02-24T21:16:29Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > And how in the name of hell is it “illogical” to suggest that Muslims are more likely to talk to other Muslims about their plans? Human society is like that for all associative groups. (e.g., not for “left-handed people,” because they don’t tend to associate preferentially with each other. But religious groups are associative groups.) For the same reason all of the Christians aren’t in the loop with the latest in Westborough – groups can have subsets that don’t associate with each other. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/55 "2015-02-24T21:53:10Z")
What they hell am I supposed to do to ‘shut down’ NAMBLA? They aren’t allowed in our pride parades and don’t get invited to other LGBT events. Do we have to support vigilanty justice against them or something? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/56 "2015-02-24T21:55:58Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > For the same reason all of the Christians aren’t in the loop with the latest in Westborough – groups can have subsets that don’t associate with each other. Okay, I’ll buy that. Islamic terrorists probably don’t hang out at the same mosques as the moderates we should be trying to cultivating better relations with. (Ending a sentence with a preposition; what would my old grammar teacher say!) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/57 "2015-02-24T23:05:27Z")
Perhaps the LBGT community might offer to shut down miscreants within its numbers just as soon as moderate and sensible Republicans demand that their own ilk cease impugning the integrity and patriotism of our Commander in Chief? Moderate and sensible Republicans might well have a positive effect if they both speak out! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/58 "2015-02-24T23:29:40Z")
Presumably the non-cis-gendered communities are not empowered to, nor authorized to stop crime. That would be your local district attorney or state attorney general or federal attorney general. Or McGruff the crime dog. The OP’s suggestion is similar to saying that Italian-Americans are tasked with wiping out La Cosa Nostra. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/59 "2015-02-25T01:08:03Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > The OP’s suggestion is similar to saying that Italian-Americans are tasked with wiping out La Cosa Nostra. Well? Why haven’t they? Personally, I suspect that there’s simply no such thing as a _moderate_ Italian-American. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485/60 "2015-02-25T01:59:45Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I have to agree with this. I don’t see how **Monty** concludes it’s illogical. Because the premise is illogical. It’s ignoring a few major facts, such as modern terrorists, even Muslims, not all being from places that are populated just by Muslims. It also ignores the fact that there’s a wide difference among Muslims as to culture and even religious practice. > [@](#): > > A lot of rapes are committed by college fraternity members: thus, college fraternities are a good place to concentrate on prevention, and most college fraternity members know this and would agree with it. They participate in anti-rape consciousness-raising willingly, because they don’t want the actions of some of their members to dirty their name. But the discussion, if you will, as started by Valteron and continued by Sage Rat, isn’t, to continue the analogy, that it’s college frat members, but all males in your example. That’s also illogical. > [@](#): > > Any group must spend some effort on internal cleansing. It’s an unfortunate consequence of the fact that there are rotten stinkers within any large group of people. This applies to a fraternity of 40 members, or a religion with 40 million. But, oddly enough, it doesn’t apply at all to a different religion with about a billion people in it. I wonder why that is. Actually, I don’t wonder. I know why it doesn’t apply to that religion and I know why it doesn’t apply to the other religion either. And, unless you’re absolutely droolingly moronic or just a fucked up bigot, you know why too. > [@](#): > > And how in the name of hell is it “illogical” to suggest that Muslims are more likely to talk to other Muslims about their plans? Human society is like that for all associative groups. (e.g., not for “left-handed people,” because they don’t tend to associate preferentially with each other. But religious groups are associative groups.) Okay. So what is “their society”? You do realize that there are a hell of a lot of Muslims, with a wide variety of soceities, don’t you? Or do you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-up-to-gays-and-lesbians-to-put-shut-down-nambla/713485.md?page=4)