# Is it "wrong" to prefer untouched girls? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 31, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740 "2003-08-31T02:52:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/141 "2003-09-01T00:55:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Q.E.D. \* > \*\*Your assertion that virginal males are spurned by females in favor of experienced males \*\* This is merely tangential. Our debate is about what men prefer, not what women prefer. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/142 "2003-09-01T00:57:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > **First off, the burden of proof is on you to prove that the board is representative, not on me to disprove it.** No, it is not. You made the assertion that board was not a representative sample. I never asserted that it was. I admit the results would be unscientific, but not wholly useless. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/143 "2003-09-01T00:58:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by autz \* > **Oh goody, now Giggle Gaggle admits that he can’t (and has no intention of trying to) give any evidence to prove any of his assertions.** Where exactly did I do that? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/144 "2003-09-01T01:01:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*This is merely tangential. Our debate is about what men prefer, not what women prefer. \*\* Actually, the debate is about the evolutionary reasons behind male and female preferences for mates, and since [url=http://my.dreamwiz.com/korean93/Jaryosil/Evolution/chosing.htm]females choose their mates\*\*, not males, it is even more germane. See, I can provide cites for my assertions, can you? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/145 "2003-09-01T01:02:37Z")
[Fixed link.](http://my.dreamwiz.com/korean93/Jaryosil/Evolution/chosing.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/146 "2003-09-01T01:03:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*Where exactly did I do that? Cite? \*\* Right here. When asked to give evidence for several claims that **you** made, you responded: > [@](#): > > I see no reason to waste my time hunting around for cites on a completely inconsequential matter. Whether my assertion is proved, disproved, or remains unresolved, will have no bearing on the current debate. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/147 "2003-09-01T01:10:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by autz \* > \*\*Right here. When asked to give evidence for several claims that **you** made, you responded: \*\* That quote is referring specifically to the matter about men’s initial sexual experiences, not to anything else. That matter is in fact inconsequential whichever way it is resolved, or isn’t. You quote out of context. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/148 "2003-09-01T01:18:22Z")
This guy is one taco short of a combination plate. I’ll leave others to attempt to explain to him why it’s a good idea to give evidence for his assertations. I’m going to do something more useful. Like try to straighten out the curly telephone cord. ---
**Author:** ![MrO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MrO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrO)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/149 "2003-09-01T01:20:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. Reason cannot give you wood. > > **[and]** > > In some cases, reason has nothing on instinct. \*\* According to the OP’s values (not mine), he is harming these women by sleeping with them–he is “using” them, and no matter how nice he is to them while he does so, when he finishes with them, they are no longer any good _according to him_. This strikes me as wrong. If I had a hang-up that made me harm other people, or made me do what I consider damage to others, I would seek help, through reason. Reason can trump instincts. I might gain some digestive advantage if I took a dump whenever I got the urge, even in the middle of the street. I was toilet trained by reason. How about you–does instinct still prevail? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/150 "2003-09-01T01:25:10Z")
Say, Gig, you’re saying that it’s all instinctual, so what does it matter what the social demographic of the board is? A socially inept college educated computer geek should be attracted to the same type of virgin with wide child-bearing hips and plentiful milk-giving mamary glands that the suave beach going highschool dropout body builder is. Right? (and by the way, try to top _that_ for a run-on sentence) ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/151 "2003-09-01T01:36:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrO \* > **he is “using” them** The girls in turn use him – for fancy dates, for bragging rights to their friends, for experience – whatever. We all use one another. As long as we use one another consensually, on amicable terms, it doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/152 "2003-09-01T01:39:40Z")
**Jack Batty** has a point. You can’t just claim that instinct is only applicable to a part of a species (excluding sex differences, which doesn’t count here, because we’re talking about specifically males) and expect that people would still call it “instinct.” If I discovered that 40% of black bears would eat honey over berries, I wouldn’t say that eating honey is therefore instinctual. ---
**Author:** ![Bugnorton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bugnorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bugnorton)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/153 "2003-09-01T01:39:50Z")
I am a woman who has been sexually active for the past thirty years and I can assure you, **GG** that quick and efficient impregnation never topped my list of qualities or abilities I have ever sought out in a lover. In fact, here’s the shocker, it never even _made_ the list. I guess you can just color me an evolutionary oddity? I’m going to even go way out on a limb here and suggest that the theory of evolution as posited by **GG** is grossly over simplified and manipulated by **Giggle Gaggle** himself. As to the OP, I hope that he is very young and grows out of what I can only perceive as a terribly limiting behavior born of extreme and manifold insecurities. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/154 "2003-09-01T01:45:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > **Say, Gig, you’re saying that it’s all instinctual, so what does it matter what the social demographic of the board is?** Unless a sample is representative of the entire population, results therefrom simply have no scientific value. Therefore the enterprise is worthless. In this case, it is worthless specifically because board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism. The entire study would be tainted. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/155 "2003-09-01T01:49:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > **In this case, it is worthless specifically because board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism.** If you’re going to make assertions like this, I’m going to insist that you back them up or STOP MAKING THEM. It’s time to put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/156 "2003-09-01T01:51:05Z")
You presume way too much. This isn’t a dog pack. Beta male is a bullshit term. What you’ve got going is the classic back-peddal. Be sure to stretch, you’ll cramp up. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/157 "2003-09-01T01:51:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\* > > In this case, it is worthless specifically because board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism.\*\* Bwahahahahaha. You’ve managed to make some remarkable assumptions there **Giggle**. Care to provide some back-up? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colinmarshall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Colinmarshall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colinmarshall)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/158 "2003-09-01T01:53:14Z")
“Would a girlfriend that YOU (and nobody else) had sex with be considered too used?” No. I refer only to experience with others. “I still would love to know if Colinmarshall makes an exception if a girl was raped.” I don’t know if I’d want to get involved with a “survivor.” “Or if his girlfriend were to be raped-would he dump her?” Again, I am NOT a bad person. “Does your “gross-out” reaction also apply to kissing a woman who’s kissed another man before?” It does indeed. “Does your “gross-out” reaction also apply to receiving oral sex from a woman who’s given oral sex to another man before?” That’s bad, but kissing a woman who’s given oral sex to another man is a much grimmer proposition. “You must be a homophobic.” While I myself am possessed of no homosexual impulses, I have several homosexual friends (as, nowadays, everyone does) and have no problem with their lifestyle whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/159 "2003-09-01T01:54:42Z")
I don’t need to. My hunch is that the board is full of beta males. My specific reason for declining to do a scientific experiment using this group is because I am unable to verify that it is representative of the entire population. ---
**Author:** ![Bugnorton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bugnorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bugnorton)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/160 "2003-09-01T01:55:07Z")
> [@](#): > > In this case, it is worthless specifically because board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism. The entire study would be tainted. That, sir, is one of the most inane bits of anthrobabble I’ve heard in a _ **very** _ long time. Additionally, what **Q.E.D** said! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740.md?page=9)