# Is it "wrong" to prefer untouched girls? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 31, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740 "2003-08-31T02:52:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/161 "2003-09-01T01:55:19Z")
Well then, **Colin** , good luck with that. You’ll need it. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/162 "2003-09-01T02:01:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*Unless a sample is representative of the entire population, results therefrom simply have no scientific value. Therefore the enterprise is worthless. > > In this case, it is worthless specifically because board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism. The entire study would be tainted. \*\* Please. To argue that we’re socially maladjusted beta males, you’d first have to give us some criteria to base that on. From Dictionary.com: **maladjusted** adj 1: (psychology) poorly adjusted to demands and stresses of daily living; “a maladjusted child” [ant: adjusted] 2: emotionally unstable and having difficulty coping with personal relationships [syn: disturbed] 3: not well adjusted; “a maladjusted carburetor” So, I think we can get rid of number 3 right now, because it refers to inanimate objects. Number two seems to have more bearing on you, from the way to downtalk women at every opportunity. I would be impressed if the thousand(s?) of members on this board were _all_ maladjusted according to either 1 or 2, because (obviously) maladjustment is a serious thing, and not exactly common. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/163 "2003-09-01T02:05:52Z")
I think it’s a welcome diversion to hear from an alpha male who considers a dedication to his own happiness – the very foundation of the American dream – more important than political correctness. ---
**Author:** ![Colinmarshall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Colinmarshall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colinmarshall)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/164 "2003-09-01T02:06:16Z")
As one of those quotable writers said, “Luck is the meeting of preparation and opportunity.” I’ve always been prepared, and I’ve always had opportunities. People seem to think that the preferences I’ve laid bare on this message board should be very difficult to fulfill, but I’ve never had a problem. I also realize that the “pool of virgins” decreases with age. As I would never come down to the level of, say, forty year old men who chase girls fresh out of high school, I forsee a letting go (if not abandonment) of some of my current criteria. However, at twenty, there’s no pressure to give up my personal requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/165 "2003-09-01T02:08:07Z")
And **GG** tips his hand… > [@](#): > > \*\* > _Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle_ > > In this case, it is worthless specifically because board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism. \*\* This is at best a desperate rationalization for your inability to present a convincing case for your theories. It’s called the [Genetic Fallacy](http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#statistics) and is intellectually dishonest in the extreme. It might help your self-esteem to insulate your views this way but it certainly isn’t fooling anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/166 "2003-09-01T02:13:47Z")
It’s not a fallacy. This board is not representative of the general population. Regardless of my hunch as to why this is so, there’s no reason to assume that this board is representative of the general population until it has been shown to be so. There are lots of reasons to indicate otherwise, some of which I have outlined on the previous page. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/167 "2003-09-01T02:20:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > **This board is not representative of the general population.** Ok, prove it. You made the statement, therefore the burden is on you to provide proof. Actually, I’ll be happy if you can provide ONE reputable cite to back up _any one_ of the assertions you’ve made in this thread. Just one. I don’t think you can. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/168 "2003-09-01T02:22:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*Regardless of my hunch as to why this is so, there’s no reason to assume that this board is representative of the general population until it has been shown to be so. \*\* There’s also pretty much no reason to assume that what you’ve been spewing means shit either. Stalemate, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Joe\_Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Random)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/169 "2003-09-01T02:25:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > **board members are mostly socially maladjusted beta males hoping to get into the good graces of the (proportionally) few female posters who in turn are mostly proponets of hardline feminism.** > [@](#): > > **I think it’s a welcome diversion to hear from an alpha male who considers a dedication to his own happiness – the very foundation of the American dream – more important than political correctness.** So, basically, any male who agrees with you is an alpha male, and any male who _disagrees_ with you is a beta male. Further, anyone who disagrees with you is not doing so because they really mean it, but rather to ingratiate themselves with the “feminist” female posters. Or, to put it another way, everyone who agrees with you is given a label that you consider “positive” (even though the label does not really even apply to the situation), and everyone who disagrees with you is given a negative label, but they probably agree with you too, and just won’t admit it. Does that pretty much sum up your position. ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/170 "2003-09-01T02:35:07Z")
Now you are again trying to shift the burden of proof (another fallacy). I would like to hear one good reason why you can presume to speak for “the general population” regarding the general preference for virgins. I’m willing to accept that the opinions of this board might be biased; but that really isn’t the issue when I’m not the one using that alleged bias as innoculation against disagreement. I certainly am not willing to pretend that you speak pure objectivity either. It cuts both ways you know. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/171 "2003-09-01T02:53:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > **Men who sleep with women who sleep around not only run much lower probabilities of impregnating them – seeing as how the woman is likely already pregnant** I wonder how you reconcile this with the fact that many men are _attracted_ to pregnant women, as shown by the amount of “pregnant porn” to be found on the internet. (Not that **I** would know anything about internet porn, oh no.) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/172 "2003-09-01T03:11:01Z")
Okay, you definitely have issues. ---
**Author:** ![YourOldBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/bc79bd/32.png) [@YourOldBuddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YourOldBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/173 "2003-09-01T03:11:20Z")
Sry I havent read this thread. Im just answering the OP. Wont have time to read until tomorrow. I dont think its wrong. Maybie you just dont want to be compared to other men sexually? Im not kidding. Its not uncommon. Personally I like women who have had relations with other men and know that they prefer me to other men. I want her to know what she is missing in other men instead of speculating about it, which I think is bound to happen if she hasnt. Also sex is generally more enjoyable with girls who know how. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/174 "2003-09-01T03:14:01Z")
**GG** , in Great Debates Dopers are expected to be able to provide cites to back up statements of fact. Otherwise, what they postulate is generally considered rubbish by the other participants. _Opinions_, such as those requested by the OP, generally belong in another message board. Reading unverified claims in a debate is like being stoned with popcorn. **ColinMarshall** , since a little reconstructive surgery on the hymen is available to women now, you will never know for sure that a woman is a virgin. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/175 "2003-09-01T03:14:02Z")
Yes, you are an asshole. You are not mentally ill, or socially undeveloped. You are a selfish asshole. It is not a matter of morality, either practiced, or pretended to. You want a new car, a new girl, and the pride of ownership which you expect to come from those things. After you use them, you won’t value them anymore. I hope you remain single for your entire life. Tris ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/176 "2003-09-01T03:15:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Azael \* > **Now you are again trying to shift the burden of proof (another fallacy). I would like to hear one good reason why you can presume to speak for “the general population” regarding the general preference for virgins.** I am doing two things here: 1. Proposing an argument as to why the OP feels the way he does. 2. Refusing to validate this argument by running an experiment on a nonrepresentative sample. As to why the sample is nonrepresentative, there are various clues, from the unity of expressed opinion regarding some very hot topics, to uniform character traits exhibited through posts, to uniform demographic axes regarding age, location, primary language, education level, IQ, and a bunch of other criteria. All in all, the sample is nonrepresentative because it has not shown to be representative. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/177 "2003-09-01T03:17:34Z")
**YourOldBuddy** , you’re obviously a maladjusted, socially inept, beta-male who is … um … college educated and fishing for a militant feminist girlfriend to beat you up and you don’t like babies and you smell funny. Did I get that right, **Giggle**? ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/178 "2003-09-01T03:19:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Triskadecamus \* > \*\*I hope you remain single for your entire life. \*\* Read his post a little high up. He doesn’t seem to be having that problem at all. Jealous much? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/179 "2003-09-01T03:19:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*I am doing two things here: > > 1. Proposing an argument as to why the OP feels the way he does. > 2. Refusing to validate this argument by running an experiment on a nonrepresentative sample.\*\* Fine. Then find a reputable study that demonstrates overwhelmingly that men prefer virgins to tho those with sexual experience. Surely such a study has been done using a properly representative sample. It’s time to call or fold, pal. ---
**Author:** ![Giggle\_Gaggle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740/180 "2003-09-01T03:26:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Q.E.D. \* > \*\*Fine. Then find a reputable study that demonstrates overwhelmingly that men prefer virgins to tho those with sexual experience. Surely such a study has been done using a properly representative sample. It’s time to call or fold, pal. \*\* Where were you when I made the argument about Judeo-Christian and Islamic culture advocating virginity in women, and societies responding more favorably to these messages (and the religions preaching them) than to all other religions combined? There was some sorry attempt at some kind of comeback, regarding how there were (key word, were) some religions that did not advocate virginity and a patriarchal structure. Guess why these religions aren’t around anymore? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-wrong-to-prefer-untouched-girls/198740.md?page=10)