# Is Jan Brewer an alcoholic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 2, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431 "2010-09-02T21:22:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2010, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/41 "2010-09-04T21:24:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Can you offer an alternative explanation for the reason why anyone on the right who opposes illegal immigration is pretty much automatically referred to by lefties as a ‘hater’? I’ve seen nothing coming from any liberal anywhere to indicate that they feel conservative opposition to illegal immigration is based upon anything but racial hatred and/or xenophobia. Well, look at how the issue is handled by politicians and pundits on the right. It’s a political card to pull when the time comes around every so often (see John McCain’s record on immigration over the last decade if you don’t believe this.) Things like SB1070 don’t make your case very well when: -They’re influenced or flat-out written by white supremacist groups -They do [admittedly, by right-wingers] absolutely nothing to halt the flow of people or drugs over the border -They [admittedly, by right-wingers] are basically legally toothless That leaves precious little room for speculation on why it was inacted; one obvious\* reason being to appease Mexican haters and “fedrul guhmint” haters (of whom I’ve yet to meet one who didn’t have, at bare minimum, xenophobic leanings.) \*(to me, and I’m in a privileged position being that I live in the capital of AZ) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/42 "2010-09-04T21:45:34Z")
Immigration is a snap to fix, but it will not happen. You can stop them from getting employment. That would require cracking down on corporations and businesses that hire them. Do you believe they don’t know what they are doing? When a guy applies for a job and barely speaks English and has questionable paper work, you send him away. But they find exploiting them for low wages makes money. Fine them big time and it would clear up. I am not for unfettered immigration. Never said I was. But it is an employment migration going on as people follow the jobs. Our economy is so bad now, that the problem is drying up anyway. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/43 "2010-09-04T22:35:53Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco;12878119-They’re influenced or flat-out written by white supremacist groups -They do [admittedly, by right-wingers] absolutely nothing to halt the flow of people or drugs over the border -They [admittedly, by right-wingers] are basically legally toothless That leaves precious little room for speculation on why it was inacted; one obvious\* reason being to appease Mexican haters and “fedrul guhmint” haters (of whom I’ve yet to meet one who didn’t have, at bare minimum, xenophobic leanings.) \*(to me, and I’m in a privileged position being that I live in the capital of AZ) [/QUOTE] Not to forget Arizona already banned same sex marriage in 2008 so that horse is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/44 "2010-09-05T03:57:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Still, [Brewer has been leading Goddard soundly.](http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Arizona_gubernatorial_election,_2010) Are any post-debate polls available yet? Probably not what you were looking for, but I checked InTrade after I saw her bomb. She was still \>90% to win IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/45 "2010-09-05T16:24:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > Hang on. Lemme see if I can get you some help with that big brush your painting with. > > Can you offer an alternative explanation for the reason why anyone on the right who opposes illegal immigration is pretty much automatically referred to by lefties as a ‘hater’? I’ve seen nothing coming from any liberal anywhere to indicate that they feel conservative opposition to illegal immigration is based upon anything but racial hatred and/or xenophobia. Because we’ve seen nothing to indicate it **is** based on anything else. Certainly not the “rule of law” – if the illegal-immigration pressure were coming from Canada instead of Mexico, the Minutemen would not exist. There certainly are some sound, non-xenophobic, purely economic or ecological reasons to restrict immigration to the U.S. – but those obviously are secondary considerations, if considerations at all, to the anti-immigrant right. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/46 "2010-09-05T16:56:54Z")
Really SA ,who is pro illegal immigration? You are making shit up again. But with a bad employment picture in the US, we need all the jobs we can get. We can not give them to illegals. But who benefits from illegal immigration. It is not the American worker or the average American citizen. Only one group reaps benefits from illegal immigration. That is where you should direct your anger and frustration. That group of course is employers who exploit them for lower wages. American workers get a downward pressure on wages. that certainly does not benefit them. It is one powerful ,politically connected group that wants it and that is why we have it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/47 "2010-09-05T17:07:26Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Really SA ,who is pro illegal immigration? You are making shit up again. But with a bad employment picture in the US, we need all the jobs we can get. We can not give them to illegals. > But who benefits from illegal immigration. It is not the American worker or the average American citizen. Only one group reaps benefits from illegal immigration. That is where you should direct your anger and frustration. That group of course is employers who exploit them for lower wages. American workers get a downward pressure on wages. that certainly does not benefit them. It is one powerful ,politically connected group that wants it and that is why we have it. As Bush found out, [when he tried his hand at immigration reform in his second term:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush%27s_second_term_as_President_of_the_United_States#Immigration) His electoral base thought his plan was too weak, but his real financial/power base thought it was too strong. It split the party and died. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/48 "2010-09-05T17:38:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > Really SA ,who is pro illegal immigration? You are making shit up again. But with a bad employment picture in the US, we need all the jobs we can get. We can not give them to illegals. > > But who benefits from illegal immigration. It is not the American worker or the average American citizen. Only one group reaps benefits from illegal immigration. That is where you should direct your anger and frustration. That group of course is employers who exploit them for lower wages. American workers get a downward pressure on wages. that certainly does not benefit them. It is one powerful ,politically connected group that wants it and that is why we have it. > > As Bush found out, [when he tried his hand at immigration reform in his second term:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush%27s_second_term_as_President_of_the_United_States#Immigration) His electoral base thought his plan was too weak, but his real financial/power base thought it was too strong. It split the party and died. That split is the employers who benefit from open borders and people who vote republican thinking the party has their back. The party relies on people voting against their economic interests in the name of abortion, gun control, immigration or other causes the party has no intention of dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/49 "2010-09-05T17:51:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > > As Bush found out, [when he tried his hand at immigration reform in his second term:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush%27s_second_term_as_President_of_the_United_States#Immigration) His electoral base thought his plan was too weak, but his real financial/power base thought it was too strong. It split the party and died. > > That split is the employers who benefit from open borders and people who vote republican thinking the party has their back. The party relies on people voting against their economic interests in the name of abortion, gun control, immigration or other causes the party has no intention of dealing with. Well, that must be why Brewer is polling so well in AZ – because she signed legislation that purports to try to do something about immigration. (If it actually did something about immigration, things would be a lot more complicated for her.) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/50 "2010-09-05T18:13:59Z")
She is screaming about a crime wave caused by illegals. The crime is at a 50 year low. She is crying about a murder rate caused by illegals. it does not exist. She is stirring up the anti immigrant hatred with dishonest figures because it works. She claims to be anti big government. Why ?,Because it works. Who has a clue what she really believes in. Originally she was against the stop immigrants bill until polling proved it was a winner. She has more ambition than brains. If she has ant ethics they are well hidden. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/51 "2010-09-05T20:54:20Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Well, look at how the issue is handled by politicians and pundits on the right. It’s a political card to pull when the time comes around every so often (see John McCain’s record on immigration over the last decade if you don’t believe this.) Things like SB1070 don’t make your case very well when: > > -They’re influenced or flat-out written by white supremacist groups > -They do [admittedly, by right-wingers] absolutely nothing to halt the flow of people or drugs over the border > -They [admittedly, by right-wingers] are basically legally toothless > > That leaves precious little room for speculation on why it was inacted; one obvious\* reason being to appease Mexican haters and “fedrul guhmint” haters (of whom I’ve yet to meet one who didn’t have, at bare minimum, xenophobic leanings.) Post snipped. I assume you have cites for those claims, right? If so, I’d really like to see them. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/52 "2010-09-05T23:35:31Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Post snipped. > > I assume you have cites for those claims, right? > > If so, I’d really like to see them. > > Slee Can you be more specific? Most of what I said is common knowledge, which is why - I assume - **Starving Artist** sent the cricket brigade in to reply for him. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/53 "2010-09-06T03:01:44Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > > [@Cisco](#): > > > > Well, look at how the issue is handled by politicians and pundits on the right. It’s a political card to pull when the time comes around every so often (see John McCain’s record on immigration over the last decade if you don’t believe this.) Things like SB1070 don’t make your case very well when: > > > > -They’re influenced or flat-out written by white supremacist groups > > -They do [admittedly, by right-wingers] absolutely nothing to halt the flow of people or drugs over the border > > -They [admittedly, by right-wingers] are basically legally toothless > > > > That leaves precious little room for speculation on why it was inacted; one obvious\* reason being to appease Mexican haters and “fedrul guhmint” haters (of whom I’ve yet to meet one who didn’t have, at bare minimum, xenophobic leanings.) > > Post snipped. > > I assume you have cites for those claims, right? > > If so, I’d really like to see them. > > Slee The repub program was directed by the neo-cons who took over the party. Read this manifesto by Kristol and the people who took over the repub .party > **[Prediksi168: Link Situs Slot Gacor Hari Ini Online Gampang Menang Maxwin...](https://www.deerspringsrvresort.com/gallery/)** > > Prediksi168 adalah situs slot gacor online terpercaya yang menawarkan peluang menang tinggi, pola scatter hitam, bonus menarik, dan pengalaman bermain mudah maxwin setiap hari. They were never for a smaller government but for a small group of chosen people to run it and profit from it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/54 "2010-09-06T03:49:29Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Most of what I said is common knowledge, which is why - I assume - **Starving Artist** sent the cricket brigade in to reply for him. No, crickets chipred because: a.) I have a life and I’ve spent much of the day away; and b.) your post had nothing to do with the comment it was alleged to address. I have not heard a single liberal anywhere in the country express any sort of determination to halt illegal immigration, but I have heard all sorts of claims by liberals that determination to halt illegal immigration is based only upon racism, hatred and/or xenophobia. It seems liberals don’t even like the term ‘illegal immigrants’, preferring the term "undocumented immigrants’ instead. And to counter this you offer one bill from one state and, after claiming it was drafted by a group similar to a modern version of the KKK, attempt to use that to claim you’ve proven me wrong. So, all in all, I just didn’t see anything in your post worth responding to…and I was busy besides. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/55 "2010-09-06T04:08:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > …If she has ant ethics they are well hidden. True, but I’m not even sure that she has people ethics. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/56 "2010-09-06T04:37:23Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > …If she has ant ethics they are well hidden. > > True, but I’m not even sure that she has people ethics. Maybe she wants to be the first insect politician. (Sorry, Brundlefly.) ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/57 "2010-09-06T04:56:36Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I think I can with some authority as the son of mother who was the same social class and general education level as the Governor and who was a chronic alcoholic. > > The Governor is 66 years old and (per the video) IMO is suffering from memory lapses which could be due to mini-strokes, incipient dementia or simply age. A drunk has impaired motor skills which slightly, but noticeably, slurs their words. There was none of that. In between the epic brain farts her overall enunciation and speaking skills were not impaired in the least. > > There’s a physical issue of some sort, but it’s not alcohol. Exactly. My first impression was that she was suffering some very early and minor signs of age dementia, not that she was in any way chemically impaired. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/58 "2010-09-06T12:13:33Z")
I’m a liberal sample size of one, but I’ll pitch in for you here. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I have not heard a single liberal anywhere in the country express any sort of determination to halt illegal immigration I’d be more determined to support halting illegal immigration if I were shown evidence that it were at all possible. It’s a big border, and I’ve seen little to convince me that securing it in a meaningful way isn’t a pipe dream. I suppose we could stem the tide to some extent, but at what cost and for how much benefit? As was pointed out earlier, one feasible method might be to address it from an employment point of view. But there seem to be blocs against this, and it could even hurt the economy. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > but I have heard all sorts of claims by liberals that determination to halt illegal immigration is based only upon racism, hatred and/or xenophobia. It often is. Not always, but certainly often. And it’s sometimes so thinly veiled as to be laughable. I’ve had conversations with folks who are passionate on the subject, and it made my hair stand on end. One guy I know claims it’s nothing personal, but ardently advocates the death penalty for attempting to cross the border illegally. On the spot, that is, not after any kind of due process. Convince me that this is simply because someone is engaged in an illegal activity. He doesn’t feel this way about other crimes. Again, sample size of one. So make of that what you will. But a great deal of the illegal immigration discussion sounds to me like us vs. them because they are THEM. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It seems liberals don’t even like the term ‘illegal immigrants’, preferring the term "undocumented immigrants’ instead. Maybe some do. Doesn’t annoy me, particularly. Although use of the term “illegals” bothers me because it is dehumanizing in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/59 "2010-09-06T13:08:20Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > > [@Simplicio](#): > > > > What a silly claim. > > Nonsense. Any person who claims to be politically aware and who lives in the capital of their state has the best opportunity to follow and be aware of their state’s politics, and has no excuse to plead ignorance. What does that say regarding the now-vindicated, but still not entirely reliable, Mr. Blagojevich being elected twice ? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431/60 "2010-09-06T13:22:45Z")
Um, okay, ow do you get “vindicated” out of a guilty verdict and every other count being voted 11-1 guilty, with a retrial coming, and with the defense counsel having already quit the case in disgust? And how do you get non-ignorance on the part of the public from the fact that none of this was public information before either election, and he got run out of office as soon as it did? That made no sense whatsoever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jan-brewer-an-alcoholic/552431.md?page=4)