# Is Japanese porn all about males having their way with unwilling females (a la, rape fantasy)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 12, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779 "2012-11-12T15:18:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kirk1168](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/45deac/32.png) [@kirk1168](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirk1168)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/21 "2012-11-13T22:13:49Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Maybe [this agreement](http://www.theonion.com/articles/japan-pledges-to-halt-production-of-weirdo-porn-th,2657/) will improve the situation. So funny I almost puked.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![wuthering\_lows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@wuthering\_lows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wuthering_lows)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/22 "2012-11-13T23:00:35Z")
> [@stuyguy](#): > > First of all, is _Cafe Society_So I have two questions. First, am I right that this is a (the?) major theme for Japanese porn, or have I just been watching a weighted sample of what is out there? > > And second, is it all an act that the women are participating in, or are these girls really as forced and miserable as they appear on camera? The crying and all is part of the act. Believe it or not, there are on rare occasions J-Porn where the girl doesn’t cry and squeal. It’s kinda like a 4-leafed clover. I may or may not be in possession of such wonders… Wait a minute! NONE of your business!😃 ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/23 "2012-11-13T23:06:03Z")
American porn is every bit as annoying in it’s own way. That utterly rehearsed, whiny, nasal “mmmmm-YEAH!” sound, a sound not actually made by humans having sex when cameras are not present. Someone here dubbed it the “porno ringtone”. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/24 "2012-11-13T23:37:22Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > American porn is every bit as annoying in it’s own way. That utterly rehearsed, whiny, nasal “mmmmm-YEAH!” sound, a sound not actually made by humans having sex when cameras are not present. Someone here dubbed it the “porno ringtone”. And I think it’s Brazilian porn where the recipient (whether man or woman) has this amazingly jarring “Oy! Oy! Oy! Oy!” thing going on. WHO MAKES NOISES LIKE THAT DURING SEX?! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/25 "2012-11-13T23:46:00Z")
Well, I’ll partially negate what I said above by noting I have seen J porn where the coercion element was entirely missing, and the parties involved seem to be having a really good time. And in fact, J porn can be quite good, very creative, and a hell of a lot less annoying than American porn, and actually contain decent acting. And the women can be seriously stunning. So good J porn is well worth looking for, and there’s a decent amount out there, but having to sift through the rapey stuff can be really off-putting. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/26 "2012-11-14T01:04:43Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > American porn is every bit as annoying in it’s own way. That utterly rehearsed, whiny, nasal “mmmmm-YEAH!” sound, a sound not actually made by humans having sex when cameras are not present. Someone here dubbed it the “porno ringtone”. I actually do that sometimes :eek: The thing is, most porn, even the “amateur” or “hidden camera” type stuff is rehearsed and acted, so it is a glorified version of what ever type of sex it is trying to depict. Even celebrity sex tapes are so edited and fake there is nothing real about them. Porn is an exaggerated version of what most sex IRL is. I don’t think you can get much incite into mainstream culture in any country by reviewing their porn. If you were able to watch real life sex happening I doubt it would seem as attractive, extreme, or titillating as the stuff filmed for pornographic consumption. I sure as Hell don’t want to watch me and my husband having sex. It’s like that episode of Friends where Ross and Rachel tape their selves and realize how gross it actually looks IRL. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/27 "2012-11-14T01:54:43Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > The thing is, most porn, even the “amateur” or “hidden camera” type stuff is rehearsed and acted, so it is a glorified version of what ever type of sex it is trying to depict. Acted? Yes. Rehearsed? No. Porn producers are far too cheap to pay anyone to rehearse anything. Even the highest budget productions like the lamentable [_Pirates_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_%282005_film%29) are cursed with terrible acting, and obvious TelePrompter readings. The amateur and “gonzo” clips start with a scenario, and just go from there. I’m a big fan of what I call “friendly gonzo”, particularly the British gonzo producer Lindsey Honey, working under the non de porn “Ben Dover”. His schtick is that women write him wanting to appear in a porn, and he and his merry men show up to make this fantasy come true. The thing is, I’ve seen some of the women in other director’s videos, and they can’t act for shit. So either he’s a brilliant director who manages to extract brilliant, naturalistic performances from amateur actors, or there really are people who want to appear in a porn. > [@](#): > > Even celebrity sex tapes are so edited and fake there is nothing real about them. Porn is an exaggerated version of what most sex IRL is. I don’t think you can get much incite into mainstream culture in any country by reviewing their porn. I disagree. The sheer quantity of nuns with lingerie under their habits in Italian porn says something about Italy. Not sure exactly what. One amusing factoid - interior design historians look to porn to research what homes actually looked like during a particular period. Hollywood, or the local equivalent, always presented a sanitized, or idealized version of contemporary reality. But porn, because the producers are too cheap, never bothers with frills like set decoration. > [@](#): > > If you were able to watch real life sex happening I doubt it would seem as attractive, extreme, or titillating as the stuff filmed for pornographic consumption. I sure as Hell don’t want to watch me and my husband having sex. It’s like that episode of Friends where Ross and Rachel tape their selves and realize how gross it actually looks IRL. Porn actors “cheat” for the camera when kissing, during oral sex and intercourse. But there is a whole huge genre of porn that concentrates on “P.O.V.”, shot by the male actor. And, based on personal experience, it looks the same. ---
**Author:** ![wuthering\_lows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@wuthering\_lows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wuthering_lows)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/28 "2012-11-14T05:29:06Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > I actually do that sometimes :eek: In reference to noises made during sex… Unforced moaning made by the woman equals nice. As for grunts the man makes… I’m not so sure about that one. I gave it a shot once. I gotta admit, it kinda killed the mood… :o ---
**Author:** ![Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stark_Raven_Mad)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/29 "2012-11-14T06:35:01Z")
Many ape species have females that advertise their sexual intercourse by making loud sex noises. It stands to reason that we would too. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/30 "2012-11-14T09:14:49Z")
> [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](#): > > Many ape species have females that advertise their sexual intercourse by making loud sex noises. It stands to reason that we would too. Ape females also advertise their willingness by having their crotch turn bright red, or blue (incestous, bisexual, nymphomaniac bonobos excluded). Ape and human sexuality are so utterly different in most every aspect that the analogy doesn’t hold. See Jared Diamond’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee” for details. ---
**Author:** ![AaronX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@AaronX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AaronX)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/31 "2012-11-14T11:12:31Z")
> [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](#): > > Many ape species have females that advertise their sexual intercourse by making loud sex noises. It stands to reason that we would too. I read that in Amy Farrah Fowler’s voice. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/32 "2012-11-14T12:51:48Z")
30 posts and no one has mentioned the Master’s column: [What’s the deal with Japanese tentacle porn? - The Straight Dope](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2968/whats-the-deal-with-japanese-tentacle-porn) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/33 "2012-11-14T12:53:07Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > I disagree. The sheer quantity of nuns with lingerie under their habits in Italian porn says something about Italy. Not sure exactly what. “Even our more outwardly respectable, staid people are deep down secretly longing for an invitation to go bunga bunga with Silvio” ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/34 "2012-11-14T13:05:58Z")
> [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](#): > > Many ape species have females that advertise their sexual intercourse by making loud sex noises. It stands to reason that we would too. A woman wearing cat ears is cute. A woman squeaking like a child in pain isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/35 "2012-11-15T00:11:51Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > 30 posts and no one has mentioned the Master’s column: [What’s the deal with Japanese tentacle porn? - The Straight Dope](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2968/whats-the-deal-with-japanese-tentacle-porn) [“I’ve slime-violated a lot of orifices with a lot of hotties in my day…”](http://youtu.be/igfP0eD5sFk) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779/36 "2012-11-15T01:48:21Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > A woman wearing cat ears is cute. A woman squeaking like a child in pain isn’t. The ones I’ve seen tended to be more like “yipping like a small dog that badly needs to be taken for its walk.” Does no better at stirring up the passions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-japanese-porn-all-about-males-having-their-way-with-unwilling-females-a-la-rape-fantasy/640779.md?page=1)