# Is Jared Diamond (Guns, Germs & Steel) Racist? Science Dopers - what's the POV?

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**Created:** [November 13, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jared-diamond-guns-germs-steel-racist-science-dopers-whats-the-pov/673814 "2013-11-13T14:18:36Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jared-diamond-guns-germs-steel-racist-science-dopers-whats-the-pov/673814/21 "2013-11-14T10:34:55Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> Well, why not? As Froderich Fronkensteen tells us, we can learn as much from our failures as from our successes.

Oh, I’m not saying he’s _wrong_ to do this. I quite like _Collapse_.

I think my _initial_ point is getting lost here: Diamond can’t be successfully accused of presenting a “Noble Savage” argument (in _Collapse_, at any rate) precisely because he spends a lot of ink telling us how _ **ig** noble_ and downright stupid some of those “savages” have been in their actions towards their own sustaining environments.

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