# Is Joe Biden's campaign over before it starts? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 30, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783 "2019-03-30T21:31:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/181 "2019-04-01T21:00:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’m sorry, I thought children didn’t get to consent. ??? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/182 "2019-04-01T21:02:53Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > I’m not saying he’s a pedophile, I’m saying he either has NO idea he’s crossing boundaries (seems suspect considering how often people have called him on it over several DECADES) or he’s unable or unwilling to control his behavior even after myriad people have told him–and articles have been written, and bits on tv shows have been aired and social media comments have mounted into the thousands over his behavior–and that’s not someone with good judgment and/or ability to control his impulses. I prefer people I’ll vote to have power over me to have good judgment and the ability to control their impulses. I prefer people who understand and respect common boundaries. I prefer people who do not treat women and girls as objects they can handle at will regardless of their preferences. I prefer people with social intelligence who know when they creep other people out. I prefer people who defer to others about what THEY want in terms of being touched and handled and who goddamned well gain consent before getting their grabby little mitts going. Unca Joe has shown over and over he does not have these qualities, not to mention some other little judgment problems and a demonstrated inability/unwillingness to be guided by others into modifying his behavior. So yeah, no thanks to Unca Joe. I already thought his legislative record is not so hot before all of this became the top story. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/183 "2019-04-01T21:09:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > ??? Guess you didn’t look af the first several videos at **SmartAle** q’s link. > [@SmartAleq](#): > > Hmmm. Watch through the videos in [this thread](https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930065838387863552?s=19) and if you don’t feel queasy afterward then I guess Unca Joe is your kinda guy. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/184 "2019-04-01T21:10:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The kremlin could fake a a communist party card for bernie. Then back it with real pics of him at rallies, some of his early papers, etc. Still whoosh. Honestly, you are not making sense to me. Probably my fault. I just do not know what you are on about. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/185 "2019-04-01T21:11:22Z")
> [@](#): > > I already thought his legislative record is not so hot before all of this became the top story. Yeah, he was a major architect in the War on Some Drugs and that awful crime bill, supported all the shitty wars, gutted regular people’s ability to reorganize under bankruptcy and just in general has been no friend to the common citizen. Just another corporate neoliberal, but this one’s also a grabby gross uncle too! Yay? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/186 "2019-04-01T21:12:34Z")
Now there is a second accuser…[CNN Story](https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/biden-second-accusation/index.html). Frankly, I think this is ridiculous. Neither incident sounds like actual abuse, or even attempted impropriety. Strongly suspect political motivations are in play here. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/187 "2019-04-01T21:19:10Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Except that Biden isn’t accused of anything in the same ballpark as R Kelly. Do people really, truly believe he is a pedophile? Because of a snapshot of him seeming to look at a little girl’s chest? I agree that photo and accusation is ridiculous. An ancient photo taken at an inopportune moment is evidence of nothing. Certainly in my life my gaze has looked in the direction of a young girl’s chest. I was not looking at her chest, I have no interest in her chest but there was a moment when my eyes were pointed in that direction. A snapshot at that moment would look bad. We have no evidence of Biden being a pedophile. We do have lots of photo evidence of him creeping on women. Maybe all those women loved his attention. We cannot know without interviewing them all. If I were a betting man my money, seeing the look on their faces, is they were not all happy with it. Biden as a pedo? I don’t believe it. At least, it needs a LOT more evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/188 "2019-04-01T21:21:19Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Frankly, I think this is ridiculous. Neither incident sounds like actual abuse, or even attempted impropriety. Strongly suspect political motivations are in play here. Where, for you, is the abuse/impropriety line drawn? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/189 "2019-04-01T21:27:26Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Where, for you, is the abuse/impropriety line drawn? When it’s not a years old public incident that has never been mentioned until it appears to be politically beneficial to bring it up is a good place to start. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/190 "2019-04-01T21:49:39Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > When it’s not a years old public incident that has never been mentioned until it appears to be politically beneficial to bring it up is a good place to start. We have loads of photos/video of Biden doing his creep thing. Does that change anything for you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/191 "2019-04-01T22:17:24Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Guess you didn’t look af the first several videos at **SmartAle** q’s link. I’m not particularly interested in looking at tailored random internet crap that, according to the descriptions of this thread, very likely blatantly disregards the personhood and wishes of the women and girls involved. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > We do have lots of photo evidence of him creeping on women. There’s no way you could know this, and I’ll kindly suggest (once again) that you stop blatantly disregarding the personhood and individuality of these women and girls. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/192 "2019-04-01T22:25:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There’s no way you could know this, and I’ll kindly suggest (once again) that you stop blatantly disregarding the personhood and individuality of these women and girls. And, once again, I will ignore your improper strictures. I suggest you read **SmartAleq’s** very good [post #179](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21568794&postcount=179) above. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/193 "2019-04-01T22:32:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And, once again, I will ignore your improper strictures. Okay. I’ll continue to call out inappropriate comments about women and girls, since it’s so incredibly endemic in our society. Maybe one day you’ll consider that you might have the capacity for error in this, as well as the capacity to improve yourself. I hope so. > [@](#): > > I suggest you read **SmartAleq’s** very good [post #179](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21568794&postcount=179) above. I read through it a couple of times, and I’m not sure what it has to do with anything I’ve posted. I certainly have no interest in defending any bad behavior, by Biden or anyone else. I don’t like it when people ignore the personhood of women and girls and assume they know what’s going on in their heads, or what’s best for them, without giving them the chance to speak for themselves. It’s a very common violation, but it’s still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/194 "2019-04-01T22:42:07Z")
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**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/195 "2019-04-01T22:44:01Z")
You don’t need to know what’s going on in their heads. You could crop them out completely and just look at Biden’s body language and find it to be over-the-top creepy. It is comic-book-level absurdity. Think Montgomery Burns meets Glenn Quagmire. I am actually concerned for these women and girls and I hope they start blurring the faces of at least the youngest ones. Sadly, the media is in a rather sick way right now and they are showing these inappropriate pictures. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/196 "2019-04-01T22:44:35Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I’ll try this just once more: > > - Guy gropes Woman-A and, mildly annoyed, the woman moves on and forgets about it > > - Guy gropes Woman-B and she is very annoyed by it and considers it an assault on her person > > Is it your contention that it is only an assault if the woman/girl deems it so? Absolutely nothing is different between the two events other than the woman/girl’s perception of what happened. No, that is not my contention, and this has nothing to do with anything I’ve posted. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/197 "2019-04-01T22:55:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, that is not my contention, and this has nothing to do with anything I’ve posted. I deleted my post wanting to re-think it but ok…you got it anyway. I honestly do not know what your position is. Best I can come up with is you do not think I should assume what the myriad of women Unca Joe is creeping on are thinking. And you are right…I do not know. From where I am sitting it looks super creepy. If they all come out and say no, it was all totally cool, they love Unca Joe’s neck-rubs then fine. Till then Biden looks like a real creep to almost everyone except you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/198 "2019-04-01T23:02:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I deleted my post wanting to re-think it but ok…you got it anyway. > > I honestly do not know what your position is. Best I can come up with is you do not think I should assume what the myriad of women Unca Joe is creeping on are thinking. > > And you are right…I do not know. From where I am sitting it looks super creepy. If they all come out and say no, it was all totally cool, they love Unca Joe’s neck-rubs then fine. > > Till then Biden looks like a real creep to most anyone except you. I don’t really care about anyone saying “that looks creepy” if they see Biden doing something on TV. That doesn’t bother me. I don’t like the usage of these lurid videos of women and girls being touched, that were made for political purposes, without the consent of these women and girls. And I don’t like others trying to use these nasty, consent-free videos for their own arguments. There are perfectly reasonable criticisms of Biden’s behavior, using Flores’ account (and apparently a second account I haven’t seen yet), that don’t require the usage of random internet consent-free nastiness. And I really don’t like your brushing aside the personhood of Stephanie Carter who is perfectly capable of speaking for herself, and did speak for herself, and you continued to implicitly deny that she could have this voice and was capable of having a friend who could give her hugs as they pleased. I can’t imagine how you’ve convinced yourself that you shouldn’t have backed off from this. Biden behaved inappropriately with Flores; that doesn’t mean that he behaved inappropriately with Carter, especially when she says that they were close friends and she welcomed his affection. Those posts are creepy and gross, and you don’t lose anything by considering that maybe you made a mistake and backing off from them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/199 "2019-04-01T23:27:56Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > You don’t need to know what’s going on in their heads. You could crop them out completely and just look at Biden’s body language and find it to be over-the-top creepy. It is comic-book-level absurdity. Think Montgomery Burns meets Glenn Quagmire. > > I am actually concerned for these women and girls and I hope they start blurring the faces of at least the youngest ones. Sadly, the media is in a rather sick way right now and they are showing these inappropriate pictures. Your concern is touching. No…not touching. What’s the word I was looking for? Oh, yeah, I remember now. Your “concern” is _hypocritical_. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783/200 "2019-04-01T23:40:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I suggest you read **SmartAleq’s** very good [post #179](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21568794&postcount=179) above. Yes, the nice objective opinion from an angry Bernie Bro. “Not saying he’s a pedophile but…” Thanks for the laugh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-joe-bidens-campaign-over-before-it-starts/831783.md?page=11)