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I already thought his legislative record is not so hot before all of this became the top story.
Guess you didn’t look af the first several videos at SmartAleq’s link.
Still whoosh.
Honestly, you are not making sense to me. Probably my fault. I just do not know what you are on about.
Yeah, he was a major architect in the War on Some Drugs and that awful crime bill, supported all the shitty wars, gutted regular people’s ability to reorganize under bankruptcy and just in general has been no friend to the common citizen. Just another corporate neoliberal, but this one’s also a grabby gross uncle too! Yay?
Now there is a second accuser…CNN Story.
Frankly, I think this is ridiculous. Neither incident sounds like actual abuse, or even attempted impropriety. Strongly suspect political motivations are in play here.
I agree that photo and accusation is ridiculous. An ancient photo taken at an inopportune moment is evidence of nothing. Certainly in my life my gaze has looked in the direction of a young girl’s chest. I was not looking at her chest, I have no interest in her chest but there was a moment when my eyes were pointed in that direction. A snapshot at that moment would look bad.
We have no evidence of Biden being a pedophile. We do have lots of photo evidence of him creeping on women. Maybe all those women loved his attention. We cannot know without interviewing them all. If I were a betting man my money, seeing the look on their faces, is they were not all happy with it.
Biden as a pedo? I don’t believe it. At least, it needs a LOT more evidence.
Where, for you, is the abuse/impropriety line drawn?
When it’s not a years old public incident that has never been mentioned until it appears to be politically beneficial to bring it up is a good place to start.
We have loads of photos/video of Biden doing his creep thing. Does that change anything for you?
I’m not particularly interested in looking at tailored random internet crap that, according to the descriptions of this thread, very likely blatantly disregards the personhood and wishes of the women and girls involved.
There’s no way you could know this, and I’ll kindly suggest (once again) that you stop blatantly disregarding the personhood and individuality of these women and girls.
And, once again, I will ignore your improper strictures.
I suggest you read SmartAleq’s very good post #179 above.
Okay. I’ll continue to call out inappropriate comments about women and girls, since it’s so incredibly endemic in our society. Maybe one day you’ll consider that you might have the capacity for error in this, as well as the capacity to improve yourself. I hope so.
I read through it a couple of times, and I’m not sure what it has to do with anything I’ve posted. I certainly have no interest in defending any bad behavior, by Biden or anyone else. I don’t like it when people ignore the personhood of women and girls and assume they know what’s going on in their heads, or what’s best for them, without giving them the chance to speak for themselves. It’s a very common violation, but it’s still wrong.
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You don’t need to know what’s going on in their heads. You could crop them out completely and just look at Biden’s body language and find it to be over-the-top creepy. It is comic-book-level absurdity. Think Montgomery Burns meets Glenn Quagmire.
I am actually concerned for these women and girls and I hope they start blurring the faces of at least the youngest ones. Sadly, the media is in a rather sick way right now and they are showing these inappropriate pictures.
No, that is not my contention, and this has nothing to do with anything I’ve posted.
I deleted my post wanting to re-think it but ok…you got it anyway.
I honestly do not know what your position is. Best I can come up with is you do not think I should assume what the myriad of women Unca Joe is creeping on are thinking.
And you are right…I do not know. From where I am sitting it looks super creepy. If they all come out and say no, it was all totally cool, they love Unca Joe’s neck-rubs then fine.
Till then Biden looks like a real creep to almost everyone except you.
I don’t really care about anyone saying “that looks creepy” if they see Biden doing something on TV. That doesn’t bother me.
I don’t like the usage of these lurid videos of women and girls being touched, that were made for political purposes, without the consent of these women and girls. And I don’t like others trying to use these nasty, consent-free videos for their own arguments. There are perfectly reasonable criticisms of Biden’s behavior, using Flores’ account (and apparently a second account I haven’t seen yet), that don’t require the usage of random internet consent-free nastiness.
And I really don’t like your brushing aside the personhood of Stephanie Carter who is perfectly capable of speaking for herself, and did speak for herself, and you continued to implicitly deny that she could have this voice and was capable of having a friend who could give her hugs as they pleased. I can’t imagine how you’ve convinced yourself that you shouldn’t have backed off from this. Biden behaved inappropriately with Flores; that doesn’t mean that he behaved inappropriately with Carter, especially when she says that they were close friends and she welcomed his affection. Those posts are creepy and gross, and you don’t lose anything by considering that maybe you made a mistake and backing off from them.
Your concern is touching.
No…not touching. What’s the word I was looking for? Oh, yeah, I remember now.
Your “concern” is hypocritical.
Yes, the nice objective opinion from an angry Bernie Bro. “Not saying he’s a pedophile but…” Thanks for the laugh.