# Is Julius Caesar's bloodline traceable to present day? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 11, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725 "2010-06-11T00:57:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/141 "2013-02-03T14:12:25Z")
Adoption was very common in roman families but they usually adopted someone with some blood ties. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/142 "2013-02-03T14:40:24Z")
> [@Freakenstein](#): > > He’s probably talking about Caesars zombie who has risen not just once but twice. Great Caesar’s Ghost!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/143 "2013-02-03T17:18:41Z")
To address a question in another thread, some medieval families did claim descent from the Julio-Claudian family that dominated 1st century Rome (though not from the famous Dictator himself). For example, the Hapsburgs wished to embellish their pedigree so claimed descent from Italy’s important Colonna family, which claimed descent from the Counts of Tusculum, which claimed descent from Gens Julia – but each piece of this chain might be considered bogus fabrication. (The Tusculum family, BTW, included the amazing Marozia about whom SDMB’s **Mississippienne** has [written so brilliantly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13318497&postcount=26).) It seems not unlikely that some members of the Julio-Claudian family retained wealth, and that there was indeed some unbroken parent-child inheritance chain connecting that family to Colonna. But no such descent had its records preserved through the “Dark” Ages. Farther East, Kingdoms like Bosphorus had a briefer “Dark” period (overrun by Huns) and traceable lineages may be possible, though even the lineage I gave upthread is considered, AFAIK, quite speculative. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Brennan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Steve\_Brennan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Brennan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/144 "2013-02-05T08:30:53Z")
Interesting information, its something to look into further. So there are indeed modern people who claim such a family tree link. The crucial thing is the title or bloodline as in inheritance laws. ( I would have thought) These things are always punctiliously observed in our modern era and they most certainly were in ancient Rome as well. One would find it hard to imagine a historical period so metaphorically ‘dark’ that , even if no written records have come down to us of the passing on of a family name from one generation to the next, such a transfer didn’t occur. ---
**Author:** ![NoCoolUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5fc32e/32.png) [@NoCoolUserName](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoCoolUserName)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/145 "2013-02-05T14:48:20Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > … It is very cold on the steppes." --Temujin VeryCoolSpouse and I once mated on the steps, right there in our house, but it was rather uncomfortable (despite the carpet) and we never did it again. ---
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> [@Steve\_Brennan](#): > > These things are always punctiliously observed in our modern era and they most certainly were in ancient Rome as well. Not as carefully as one would think. It was very common in the Middle Ages for a pretender to an estate to show up out of nowhere and make a claim. “I’m the firstborn son of recently deceased Olaf the Toothless by his secret first wife Helge.” These pretenders would be supported by rivals to the other heirs. They’d swear up and down that the pretender is the real thing, etc. He’d get the estate/title/whatever and start doling out rewards to those that supported him. Total baloney of course. Lying in legal proceedings was so common it was practically a tradition. The ancient Athenians were legendary is this regard. Lots of reports of stolen inheritances. Business and legal transactions with them were extremely dicey. Bribery was also common among the ancient Romans. Best way to become Emperor, regardless of bloodline or other rights. Things got worse during the early Middle Ages. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/147 "2013-02-05T18:37:41Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Great Caesar’s Ghost!! > > 😃 Like ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@Bob\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_X)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/148 "2013-02-05T21:16:24Z")
The Julio-Claudian did not survive the 1st century due to the frequent political murders of anybody who might threaten to become an alternative heir to whoever was in power at the moment. The tree also did not fork much because of the tendency to intermarry cousins. Claims for lines of descent that continued later appear to have been forged first by the Anician family of the late empire, who could trace to in-laws of the last Julio-Claudians. In the genealogy linked to some pages back, purporting to trace the English royal house: [http://www.angelfire.com/ego/et\_deo/empire2britain.wps.htm](http://www.angelfire.com/ego/et_deo/empire2britain.wps.htm) the weakest link is from #09 Curtilia, who married Domitius Lucanus, to #10, Domitia Lucilla (mother of Domitia Lucilla II, the mother of Marcus Aurelius). Unfortunately Domitia Lucilla was not the daughter of Domitius Lucanus but his sister. Her father was actually Gaius Catilius Severus, from a family of Punic origins raised to Roman nobility (Severus is a Latinization of Semitic _sopher_ “scribe”), one branch of which eventually produced emperors Septimius Severus and his sons Caracalla and Geta (though Elagabalus and Alexander “Severus” were not members of the Severus line, but in-laws) and much later Libius Severus, a weak puppet in the very last days of the West. The confusion may arise because the root _nepos/nepota_ was used rather indifferently for “nephew/niece” or “grandson/granddaughter”; the mother of Marcus Aurelius is described as a _nepota_ of Lucanus because his intermarriage gave him high rank. Curtilia’s grandfather Octavius Laenas was an untraceably distant cousin of Augustus (since he was of _gens Octavia_) but is counted as a Julio-Claudian descendant in the hopes that his mother Rubellia Bassa was the daughter of Rubellius Blandus by his marriage to Julia, a granddaughter of Tiberius who is often confused with Julilla, a granddaughter of Augustus (Julilla actually married Lepidus, a nephew of the weak third member of the Second Triumvirate who failed to keep the peace between Octavian and Antony; her daughter Lepida started the large Silanus family, all wiped out by Agrippina and Nero except the fierce Calvinia Triaria, who survived to an old age because she had been exiled on an island for all her childbearing years). However, Blandus married Julia late, and it is often questioned whether Rubellia Bassa was not rather a child of an earlier marriage of his (Blandus and Julia did have a son, murdered by Nero of course; if Bassa was their daughter it would seem unlikely that any son of hers would have been allowed to live). Descendants of Laenas make sure to mention this, but again we have what appears to be boasting about an in-law or stepchild connection: it is honorable to be from a family which was thought worthy of intermarrying with one of the top families. A descendant of Laenas, Sergia Paulia, became a late wife of an Anicius, and so the Anician family makes sure to preserve this information, although not descended from her (Anicius Olybrius married a daughter of the last Valentinian emperor, reigned himself for a ridiculous couple years toward the end, and these two did have a lot of prominent descendants in the Byzantine nobility). ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/149 "2013-02-13T06:08:19Z")
Similar threads have come up on here before, and the consensus amongst historians and genealogists is still, generally, the same: there’s no rock solid line back to any of the European dynasties of antiquity to the present day. That means the paper trail is questionable. You can believe anything you want, and if some website tells you Julius Caesar is your 92nd great-grandfather, you can go on believing it if that makes you happy. Putting aside the paper trail, very probably many of the famous people of antiquity ARE the ancestors of most or all of us. Mark Antony left so many descendants that even cutthroat Julio-Claudian politics couldn’t kill them all off, so the odds are good that a few of them got busy and made some babies. It’s one thing for a descent back to, say, Antony and Cleopatra to be mathematically probable and another thing to prove it. As has been mentioned before, probably our best bet to get a paper trail back to antiquity is through the Georgian and Armenian dynasties. Here’s another possible descent, but with some major problems: 1. Mithridates IV, king of Parthia, died 140. 2. Vologases IV, king of Parthia, died 191. 3. Vologases V, king of Parthia, died 208. 4. Khosrov I, king of Armenia, died 217 5. Tiridates II, king of Armenia 217-252 6. Khosrov II, king of Armenia, died 252 7. Tiridates III, king of Armenia 287-330, married Ashkhen, daughter of Ashketar, king of the Alans 8. Khosrov III, king of Armenia 330-339 9. Bambish, married At’anaganes 10. Nerses, Katholikos of Armenia (died 373) married Sandukht (a Mamikonian princess) 11. St. Sahak 12. ‘Sahakanoysh’, married Hamazasp Mamikonian 13. Hamyeak Mamikonian, married Dzoyk of Artsruni 14. Vard Mamikonian 15. Hmayeak Mamikonian 16. Mousegh Mamikonian 17. Vahan Mamikonian or Mousegh Mamikonian (same as 16) 18. Dawit Mamikonian 19. Hamazasp Mamikonian 20. Artavazd Mamikonian 21. Hmayeak Mamikonian 22. Artavazd Mamikonian, _strategos_ 778 23. Marinos, _droungarious_ 24. Theodora, married the Byzantine emperor Theophilos 25. Mikhael III, Byzantine emperor 842-867 26. Leo VI, Byzantine emperor 886-912 27. Anna, married Louis III, Holy Roman Emperor 901-905 28. Charles-Constantine (died 962) Looks good, right? Wrong. There’s major problems and uncertainties about this lineage. The earlier generations are all well-attested (Josephus, Dio Cassius, etc.). But it begins breaking down in later generations, and gets VERY questionable towards the end. On down to about #13, Vard Mamikonian, everything is pretty well attested. The general Hmayeak’s (#12) children are known from the sixth century chronicler, Ghazar P’arpets’i and the seventh century chronicler, Sebeos. After that it gets a little shaky. After Vardan III fled to Rome, leadership of the Mamikonian family fell to #15, Mousegh son of Hmayeak. It’s assumed that Mousegh was Vardan III’s paternal cousin, ie that they were both grandchildren of #13 Vard and that Hmayeak was a son of Vard. The next couple of generations are also disputed, although a Dawit Mamikonian is known from the writings of the historian Yeghishe. It’s assumed that Dawit was either a son or grandson of Mousegh. The historian Sebeos helpfully tells us that #19, Hmayeak, was a Mamikonian and a son of Dawit. The parentage of #23, Marinos, is not certain, but we know his father’s name was Artavasd, and it seems likely that he was identical to the Artavasd Mamikonian who led an uprising in Armenia in 771 and was defeated by Smpat Bagratuni. (See Christian Settipani’s _Nos Ancetres de L’Antiquite, Etudes des possibilites de liens genealogiques entre les familles de l’Antiquite_, 1991) Now here’s where it gets REALLY weird. The Byzantine emperor Mikhael III was involved in a bizarre four-way relationship with his mistress Eudokia, her husband/Mikhael’s probable lover Basil, and Mikhael’s sister Thekla. Eudokia gave birth to three sons of questionable paternity. The future Leo VI was one of those sons. Did Basil or Mikhael father Leo? I don’t know. Eudokia may not have known. Anyway, #26 Leo VI had a daughter named Anna who was betrothed to Louis the Blind, the Holy Roman Emperor. Anna vanishes from history, and details are very sketchy. It’s not even certain she married Louis. All we know is that Louis had a son named Charles-Constantine, who in turn had descendants in the aristocracy of Western Europe. His unusual double name seems to hint at an imperial bloodline. ---
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So that leaves me 500 years worth of ancestors to finagle into the lineage … though in my defense I don’t believe I am descended from the Claudians, we are more northern European - British Isles/Germanics. I find it actually very amusing that for much of the city of Rome’s middle history it was a shabby decaying backwater rather than a powerhouse Capital City. ---
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All Hail Cartooniverse !!! Oh, I am likin’ the sound of that. 😃 ---
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Hi, I recently discovered with my family tree that I am a direct descendant of Caesar Augustus who was adopted by Julius Caesar. Family tree’s in some rare cases can very easily be traced back that far. For any family that comes from Royal lines records are kept. For most families that are related to a famous celebrity there are records of genealogy kept as well. I myself am that lucky. A. My family branches off and I am related to pretty much every royal family of many different countries. B. I am related to a very famous celebrity. So records are kept because of Royalty covering back to Julius Caesar and kept modern day as I am related to a celebrity. So I am a documented direct ancestor of theirs. Sincerely, Nathan Spears ---
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Caesar boinked everything that moved, both genders, married or no. So, there’s **certain** to have been a bastard or three, if only on the slaves. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/154 "2014-01-03T02:16:48Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Caesar boinked everything that moved, both genders, married or no. > > So, there’s **certain** to have been a bastard or three, if only on the slaves. Given that he had no legitimate genetic offspring, maybe he was shooting blanks? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/155 "2014-01-03T02:51:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Given that he had no legitimate genetic offspring, maybe he was shooting blanks? He had a legitimate daughter. > [@nathanspears](#): > > I recently discovered with my family tree that I am a direct descendant of Caesar Augustus who was adopted by Julius Caesar. Through which of Julia’s children? ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725/156 "2014-01-03T03:46:26Z")
As I’ve said a couple times, there are are NO documented lines, royal or not, that are generally accepted by expert genealogists connecting to the Roman Imperial Family. You may think yours does, and if thinking that makes you happy, by all means, go ahead and think that. Mathematically, there are probably hundreds of millions, if not billions, of descendants of these people through various undocumented illegitimate lines. But there is no good paper trail going back to the Julio-Claudians. Julius Caesar did have a legitimate daughter, Julia, who died in childbirth along with her only child (by her husband, Pompey). His son by Cleopatra, Caesarion, was killed on Augustus’ orders as a teenager. Caesar quite possibly fathered some of the children of his many mistresses, but we don’t know for sure. ---
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> [@Mississippienne](#): > > As I’ve said a couple times, there are are NO documented lines, royal or not, that are generally accepted by expert genealogists connecting to the Roman Imperial Family. You may think yours does, and if thinking that makes you happy, by all means, go ahead and think that. Mathematically, there are probably hundreds of millions, if not billions, of descendants of these people through various undocumented illegitimate lines. But there is no good paper trail going back to the Julio-Claudians. > > Julius Caesar did have a legitimate daughter, Julia, who died in childbirth along with her only child (by her husband, Pompey). His son by Cleopatra, Caesarion, was killed on Augustus’ orders as a teenager. Caesar quite possibly fathered some of the children of his many mistresses, but we don’t know for sure. **Mississippienne** ’s post is correct, I’m sure, but with the caveat that _if_ Caesar has any living descendants at all, he has at least a billion. (The phrase "at least _two_ billion might be correct, but I’m making a conservative claim.) I’ll defer to **Mississippienne** ’s expertise on whether Caesar had only zero present-day descendants, **but any European from that era who had any living descendants had at least a billion**. (And wasn’t Caesar’s sister ancestral to Roman emperors and, probably, living people even if the Dictator were not?) Assuming zero population growth, the average human has 2 children; after 2000 years (taking 25 years per generation) this is 2^80 descendants, or about a septillion. (Easy to remember; that’s also the approx. number of stars in the observable universe.) So each of today’s living humans would have an _average_ of 170 trillion lines of descent from each human living at the time of Julius Caesar. Or rather, since population growth is _non_-zero, several quadrillion lines. Making the same calculation in the opposite direction, each living European has about a septillion ancestors (slots), mostly European. Dividing by the 100 million or so Europeans in Caesar’s day yields ten quadrillion. So, does this mean that in Joe Plumber’s fully expanded pedigree there are 10 quadrillion paths to the famous Dicatator _and_ 10 quadrillion paths to the Dictator’s barber? No, the barber, and most others in Julius’ time, probably have _no living descendants at all_. To make the average work, therefore, each present-day European has a quintillion paths on average from those who _did_ have descendants; that set would probably include Caesar’s sister if not Caesar himself. This isn’t “genealogy” – this is mathematics. Each breath you take has thousands of molecules once breathed by Julius Caesar, though no specific such molecule can be identified. Googling “Identical Ancestors Point” might be informative, although such discussions encompass isolated populations in New Guinea and the Andaman Islands so MRCA dates, etc. are pushed back. Although I don’t see the specific cited claim made explicitly in [the cited paper](http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/CommonAncestors/NatureCommonAncestors-Article.pdf), a typical claim is > [@](#): > > Other models reported in Rohde, Olson, and Chang (2004) suggest that the MRCA of Western Europeans and people of Western European ancestry lived as recently as AD 1000. The same article provides surprisingly recent estimates for the identical ancestors point, the most recent time when each person then living was either an ancestor of all the persons alive today or an ancestor of none of them. ---
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> [@nathanspears](#): > > Hi, > > I recently discovered with my family tree that I am a direct descendant of Caesar Augustus who was adopted by Julius Caesar. Family tree’s in some rare cases can very easily be traced back that far. For any family that comes from Royal lines records are kept. For most families that are related to a famous celebrity there are records of genealogy kept as well. I myself am that lucky. A. My family branches off and I am related to pretty much every royal family of many different countries. B. I am related to a very famous celebrity. So records are kept because of Royalty covering back to Julius Caesar and kept modern day as I am related to a celebrity. So I am a documented direct ancestor of theirs. > > Sincerely, > Nathan Spears I call BS on this. You are assuming that some European royalty can reliably trace his or her ancestry back to Julius Caesar. This is simply false. If you have information that proves otherwise, post it. ---
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> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I call BS on this. You are assuming that some European royalty can reliably trace his or her ancestry back to Julius Caesar. This is simply false. If you have information that proves otherwise, post it. I agree, we are not upper end noble, and can trace back to the late 1100s but holy damn the particular lineage bounces around France, Netherlands, Germany and Alsace. In 6 generations it was like a case of French-Dutch ping-pong between 4 different families. Between the wedding, birth and death registries it makes me glad that lineage were Catholic - about the only thing that made it reasonably easy to follow for the earliest few hundred years. [Being lesser nobility made it easier to stay alive - no real succession murders and wars to deal with. Yay for the farming noble class!] ---
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It seems records exist at least from the site [Geni.com](http://Geni.com) You → Wayne Irvin McDermott your father → Jessie Adeline McDermott his mother → Mary Jane Rush her mother → Susannah Bond her mother → Joseph Bond her father→ Ann Bond his mother → Sarah Bowater Mills her mother → Sarah C. Beals-Underwood her mother → Thomas Bowater her father → John Bowater, Esq., of Coventry his father→ Richard Bowater his father → John Bowater his father → Kathryn Bowater his mother → Katherine Popham her mother → Joan Popham her mother →Sir Edward Stradling her father → Janet Stradling his mother → Catrin Mathew her mother → \*Efa verch Ieuan her mother → _Elsbeth verch Thomas her mother →_Jonet Ferch Ifor her mother → \*Catrin Ferch Hopkin her mother → \*?Gwenllian Verch Gruffydd her mother → Rhys Foel Goch her father → Rhys Goch Ap Richard his father →Richard ap Einion his father → Einion ap Collwyn his father → Collwyn ap Tangno his father → Tangno ap Cadfael his father → Cadfael ap Lludd his father →Lludd ap Llew his father → Llew ap Llyminod his father → Llyminod “Angel” ap Pasgen his father → Pasgen ap Urien, King of Gwyr his father →Urien ap Cynfarch, Brenin Rhegid his father → Nyfain verch Brychan his mother → Prawst verch Tudwal her mother → Gratianna of Galloway her mother →Magnus Maximus, Western Roman Emperor her father → Eucherius his father → Honorius his father → Maximianus Constans his father →Valerius Constantinus Dardanus his father → Flavius Titus Eutropius his father → Gordiana Balba his mother → Maecia Faustina Antonia Gordiana her mother →Fabia Orestilla her mother → Silviana her mother → Aurelia Fadilla her mother → Annia Galeria Faustina Major, Roman Empress her mother → Rupilia Faustina her mother →Lucius Scribonius Libo Rupilius Frugi Bonus her father → Marcus Licinius Crassus Frugi, Consul 64 his father → Marcus Licinius Crassus Frugi, Consul 27 his father→ Fausta Fausta Cornelia his mother → Faustus Cornelius Cornelius her father → Faustus Cornelius Cornelius his father →Lucius Cornelius Sulla Cornelius, Dictator of the Roman Republic his father… and on back into time… Now what would this mean for a person in our modern times? Science might want to study the effects of long-term inbreeding over successive generations, wealth patterns, longevity as compared to general population? What happens to leadership families after the decline of leadership? Wealth and health patterns? Population movement over time? It’s all interesting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-julius-caesars-bloodline-traceable-to-present-day/542725.md?page=9)