# Is manhattan getting grouchy(er)? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2003, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541 "2003-03-02T05:27:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/1 "2003-03-02T05:27:41Z")
The moderator, not the borough. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/2 "2003-03-02T05:48:36Z")
Unless you’re looking for an official statement by the administration as to what they conceive **Manny** ’s frame of mind to be, this sounds to me very much like criticism, albeit gentle in nature, of a staff member, and as such should be in the Pit, not ATMB. ::: gently removes Junior Mod hat ::: 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/3 "2003-03-02T06:06:19Z")
I guess I don’t understand the role of ATMB. I thought posts were open to comment from staff and members. But I do see your point. Not the pit, though. I’m not being negative. Maybe I’m overly sensitive to terms like “knocking some heads” Maybe IMHO? ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/4 "2003-03-02T07:12:01Z")
IMHO, talking about “knocking some heads” does not a grouchy Mod make. Especially considering a lot of the stuff that goes on around here, and some of the outlaw type behaviour that’s been happening in GQ, of all places. Good on him, I say. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/5 "2003-03-02T08:19:20Z")
> [@](#): > > _From the BBQ Pit forum description._ > > This is the place for all complaints and other discussion regarding administration of the SDMB Off to the Pit. **DrMatrix** - Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/6 "2003-03-02T08:20:43Z")
It’s not just happening in GQ, **Ice\_Wolf**. It’s also going on in Comment on Cecil’s Columns, of all places. And in a thread in which **Cecil** himself posted. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/7 "2003-03-02T08:30:29Z")
Seeing as this is now in the pit, here’s a link to **Manhattan** ’s GQ post: [A note on politics in GQ.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3068990#post3068990) > [@](#): > > There has been a rash lately of people who feel compelled to drag their personal political issues into GQ threads. This is rude to the OP who wanted to ask a General Question about some political subject and it is counterproductive to the fight against ignorance. > > I’m tired of it and I’m not going to stand for it. Members are reminded that this thread is for factual questions and answers. Potshots and polemics belong in Great Debates or the Pit. > > I’m going to start knocking some heads when there are violations. > > Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Doesn’t sound too grouchy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Repair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a698b9/32.png) [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/8 "2003-03-02T09:17:13Z")
[Here is an example of a thread he recently closed.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=166003) > [@](#): > > \*\*Davebear, was there some part of “we’re not going to have a political discussion here” that was too difficult to understand? > We’re done here. > > * * * > > -manhattan > General Questions Moderator\*\* If I hadn’t of egged him on I’d swear he closed the thread just so he wouldn’t have to provide me with a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/9 "2003-03-02T09:27:28Z")
> [@](#): > > I knew it. I knew there would be someone too fucking stupid to read the forum descriptions. > > We’re done here. > -manhattan > [@](#): > > I changed my mind. > > $username\*, you are not stupid at all. Rather, you are intentionally violating the rules of this forum with the intent of turning a General Question into a Great Debate or a Pit thread. I won’t stand for it. > > This is an official warning. If you bring politics into General Questions again you will be banned from this message board. > > We’re still done here. > -manhattan Everything looks normal to me. Now, if he had said “fucking” more than once when closing a thread and threatening banishment, I would call that a sign of grouchiness. As it is, everything looks fine. 😉 \*I deleted the users name from that quote, as they may not want to be associated with this thread ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/10 "2003-03-02T12:48:26Z")
You think this is Manny being grouchy? … you obviously haven’t been around here very long. And, I agree, it’s a little peculiar that threads commenting on Moderator behaviour and administrative stuff should go in the Pit, when they needn’t be blasting. The logic was that (a) we didn’t want a separate forum for such complaints or comments; and (b) we wanted people to be free to express themselves on the topic without the constraints that the other forums have. Hence, by process of elimination… The ATMB was intended to be more the technical stuff rather than comments on the rules enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/11 "2003-03-02T13:25:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AcidKid \* > **If I hadn’t _of_ egged him on I’d swear he closed the thread just so he wouldn’t have to provide me with a cite.** (Emphasis mine) Sorry, **AcidKid** I can’t resist. From the thread you linked to: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by jjimm_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by AcidKid_ > > **On third reading, could he _of_ been talking about imports from Canada and Mexico…** > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by AcidKid_ > > \*\*Could Bush _of_ been talking about oil imports when he made that remark. \*\* > > Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but it’s could _have_, not could _of_. > [sub]Sorry. This isn’t the appropriate place for this, but that really bugs me.[/sub] > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by AcidKid_ > **jjim, You’d think I would _have_ learned that after the first correction. Feel free to point it out until I _have_ .** ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/12 "2003-03-02T13:26:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mangeorge \* > **The moderator, not the borough.** I certainly hope so. There’s a lot of people in GQ that need to be shown the door. I could go into details, but really, anyone who reads GQ regularly knows exactly what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/13 "2003-03-02T14:24:01Z")
I follow GQ probably more than any other forum. Considering what Manny has to deal with over there, on a daily basis, I’m surprised he doesn’t meltdown on a weekly basis. I was yelled at by Manny a few years ago. I probably deserved it; but if anything, I’d say he’s _less_ grouchy nowadays, when he should be more so. He has a thankless job over there. I would like to officially nominate **manhattan** as **Moderator of the Quarter**. Prizes include a $100.00 gift certificate for the nearest _Bed, Bath & Beyond_, and a cyber parking spot next to The Perfect Master™. Oh, and he gets a little gold star next to his name.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/14 "2003-03-02T14:31:09Z")
Hoo boy, **Chandeleur**. You and **mangeorge** are probably both in _big_ trouble with **Coldfire**. **mangeorge** is boosting **manhattan** ’s pit post count, and you’re saying that it’s despite a _less_ grouchy attitude. Watch your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/15 "2003-03-02T16:31:22Z")
Oh boy!! A thread starts about Manhattan being grouchy (a very mild rant) and it turns into a “lets totally kiss this mods ass” thread. The latter being far more repulsive. :rolleyes: Just because one is a moderator does not mean he should freely practise what he warns others is against the rules. I have been warned when I start cussing in non-pit threads to take that kind of language to the pit. I don’t have a problem with that, I get the message. I certainly do not call people “stupid” in GQ (a VERY popular word for Manhattan). If I did, I would be warned. Even if justified, a moderator is supposed to maintain a more professional manner in his job. Even if it is volunteer work. There may be a “good cop, bad cop” thing going on. With Manhattan being the bad cop. I digress. Oh yes. kissing the Mods asses is more repulsive than complaining about them. ---
**Author:** ![Ringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@Ringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ringo)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/17 "2003-03-02T16:44:48Z")
No, I don’t think so. **Manny** remains the same. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/18 "2003-03-02T17:17:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Road Rash \* > **Oh boy!! A thread starts about Manhattan being grouchy (a very mild rant) and it turns into a “lets totally kiss this mods ass” thread. The latter being far more repulsive.** So what’s your goal here - turn it into the typical “Mods suck because they don’t have the same Rules as us peons!” thread? The Moderators DO have different Rules. The sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you’ll be in life. Out of curiosity - have you ever tried being a Moderator of a large Board? Know anything at all of what it’s like? Please provide a link to the board, or some examples of your administrative actions, if so. > [@](#): > > **I have been warned when I start cussing in non-pit threads to take that kind of language to the pit. I don’t have a problem with that, I get the message.** Sounds like you’re a smart guy and a good poster then. > [@](#): > > **Even if justified, a moderator is supposed to maintain a more professional manner in his job. Even if it is volunteer work.** It depends. Sometimes the tone of a Board is set above and beyond the Staff by the “owner”, or the “Source” (or the “First”, to use a Buffy term). See Cecil and his attitude in his columns? It certainly lays down the groundwork for snarky answers, mild flames, and exasperated “Oh, _do_ shut up!” 's. > [@](#): > > \*\*Oh yes. kissing the Mods asses is more repulsive than complaining about them. \*\* Then leave. I mean this with no rancour or snideness. Why stay if it bothers you so much? Why introduce pain into your life by staying here? ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/19 "2003-03-02T17:22:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chandeleur \* > \*\*I follow GQ probably more than any other forum. Considering what Manny has to deal with over there, on a daily basis, I’m surprised he doesn’t meltdown on a weekly basis. > > I was yelled at by Manny a few years ago. I probably deserved it; but if anything, I’d say he’s _less_ grouchy nowadays, when he should be more so. He has a thankless job over there. > > I would like to officially nominate **manhattan** as **Moderator of the Quarter**. Prizes include a $100.00 gift certificate for the nearest _Bed, Bath & Beyond_, and a cyber parking spot next to The Perfect Master™. Oh, and he gets a little gold star next to his name.😃 \*\* With sycophancy like this who needs thanks? ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/20 "2003-03-02T17:53:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Road Rash \* > \*\*Oh boy!! A thread starts about Manhattan being grouchy (a very mild rant) and it turns into a “lets totally kiss this mods ass” thread. The latter being far more repulsive. > :rolleyes: \*\* Lighten up, Francis. Me thinks you take this board too seriously. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by KidCharlemagne_ > **With sycophancy like this who needs thanks?** Sometimes I gotta look up the $3.00 words, like “sycophany”. _Note to self_: Any talk of a mod that isn’t a rant, or uses phases such a “goat felcher” or “asshat”, constitutes “ass-kissing” or “sycophany”. Got it. On the whole, your posts only get 1: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541/21 "2003-03-02T18:23:52Z")
Don’t you know anything, Chandeleur? Anyone who has any sort of power, anywhere, ever, must be destroyed! Everyone must be on the same Lowest-Common Denominator level! The Straight Dope Message Board must be EXACTLY like your average alt.whatever newsgroup, where h4x0rzzz and 3133tz are allowed to roam free, posting whatever spam, porn, or trollishness they please! Any efforts to stymie said h4x0rzzz or 3133tz violates their right of free speech, and those who accept such efforts are the enemy! Viva la Resistance!! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-manhattan-getting-grouchy-er/158541.md?page=2)