Is marriage an antiquated institution that should be eliminated?

A few thoughts.

Regardless of whether it is in the state’s interest to recognize, promote & incentivize marriage, it is undoubtedly in society’s interest.

Children do better with two parents. This can be possibly be gender-neutral-- but we definitely know that two parents are best, and biologically, the easiest route to two parents is the same one we’ve followed for quite a few million years.

Women do better when married. Single motherhood is a blight on society. It may be a tragedy, it may be a choice, but economically and culturally, it is a feedback-loop disaster for children raised in these environments.

Society does better with married, i.e. unavailable men. Crime rates are lower, illegitimacy rates are lower, economic performance is more equitable across socio-economic strata.

Want to see poverty in the Western world? Single parents raising children. Want to see lack of education in the Western world? Single parents raising children. Want to see high crime rates in the Western world? Single parents raising children. Again, and again, and again-- society’s greatest ills can be found at the foot of broken marriages (or marriages that never happen to begin with).

Now, I do not believe that it’s the fault of people trying to redefine marriage to include them in the definition. “The Gays” aren’t destroying marriage-- heterosexuals have done that just fine, thank you very much. “No fault” divorce is the most obvious reason. Yes, it’s terrible and surely immoral to keep an abusive marriage together for any reason, even “for the children”-- but those few instances where “no fault” divorce fixed that problem also opened the floodgates for anyone to get divorced, no matter what the reason. And once the cultural sanctity & integrity of the institution was damaged, the cracks allowed all sorts of corruption.

Bottom line: marriage has NEVER been about love. It sanctified an economic arrangement to ensure the most stable child-rearing environment-- and simultaneously, get males off the competitive marketplace for women (i.e., there’s still a huge benefit to heterosexual marriage even when no children are produced-- those are now men who are not off fathering illegitimate children with multiple women, and a stronger economic unit is formed in a marriage).

We used to live in a culture where marriage was easy, but divorce was hard. Now we live in one where marriage is hard-- insofar as everyone thinks it’s a much bigger step than they used to think, so they wait for it-- but divorce is easy. That’s a new place for us all.

IMHO, the answer to marriage-- or, more accurately, establishing enduring and stable two-parent families-- is NOT to define away the institution for heterosexual couples. The legal benefits of marriage, the “contractual” stuff-- perhaps there’s a good reason to apply that to other parties. I don’t see how extending, say, hospital visitation rights and insurance benefits to homosexual couples hurts anyone.

That said, anyone looking to expand marriage must first find a way to salvage marriage. It’s not about love-- any two people can fall in love. It’s literally about the children, folks, and giving them an environment far more stable than “Let’s get divorced tomorrow” or “We’re breaking up, who takes Timmy & Sally?”

I don’t know how we turn the clock back here. It’s probably too late-- we’ve all grown more secular (nobody quite fears God like they used to), and we all live in a selfish culture that says our own individual happiness, however defined, is the most important thing in the whole wide world.

Maybe the answer is as simple as this: if gay people want to get married so much, fine, let them have it. . . the rest of us ruined it anyway, you’re only getting useless garbage now.

Most people don’t realize this, love is generally considered infatuation. “I am disenchanted for some reason, so I divorce you. We fell out of love.”

People get married for the wrong reasons, and get divorced even easier.

Marraige has outlived its integrity, for many reasons.

This should be single parents do better when married. Single childless women are fine, and single men with children are tragic.

Your implication that women exist only to be mothers is disturbing.

It’s also about “We’re breaking up, who gets the house?” And “We’re married, so your family can’t take all our stuff away from me when you die.” And numerous other things.

Claiming it’s “literally about the children” ignores the fact that it’s about whole piles of things, of which children are only one part - and pisses on marriages, even hetero marriages, that don’t have children or whose children have grown up and left. Marriage is a partnership, and all that implies; even if there’s nary a child in sight.

If fear of God is all that kept marriages together, then they were nothing but a sham to start with. And yes, christians are as selfish as everybody else.

Couples ruin their own marriages; this doesn’t make the institution useless garbage for those that still value it.

Society can’t incentivize marriage - at least not for both sexes at once. Men have to have gainful employment before they can be marriageable, and American society at least is never going to make it much easier for anybody who has problems finding or keeping work. So unless polygamy is to become widespread - many wives for fewer husbands - society can’t incentivize marriage.

What society can do is penalize the single. It already does so in many ways, but not systematically. The message would be, “You really ought to be married, but we can’t help you. And if you can’t or don’t want to, expect to pay a price.” It would be an understatement to say this would not be well received. And you really don’t want to mobilize singletons into a cohesive bloc.

I still believe that marriage, American marriage anyway, is a function of the market economy. It involves concepts like supply and demand, buyers’ and sellers’ markets, marginal utility, and commodities. Sex, for instance, is a commodity. We ought to quit pretending it’s anything else.

No one who has been happily married any length of time makes that mistake. Infatuation and love are too different things. If people got divorced after the infatuation wore off, the average length of a marriage would be a year. Though it returns from time to time.

Two years, is more like it. It takes a while to even know someone that well, and people coast for quite a while.

I have met a few happily married people. They would probably be happy married, or unmarried, which may say a lot.