# Is McCain forked yet? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604 "2008-05-25T23:58:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1081 "2008-10-07T20:21:55Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > [These?](http://www.hatchwellantiques.co.uk/images_antique/products/240_1_mid.jpg) And the [originals!](http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi3805282329/) ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1082 "2008-10-07T21:06:54Z")
> [@Phlosphr](#): > > NPR this morning had highlights of republican conservatives who are voting for McCain but the connection is tenuous at best. They are not happy. To me that says that the fence sitters will break Obama… I think you’re letting your optimism cloud your thinking – it’s not clear to me how that makes sense. If the republican conservatives aren’t happy, one would think it’s because McCain is **not** as conservative as they’d like. Why would this (and this alone) lead you to think that fence sitters – presumably, who would _like_ a less conservative candidate – would _also_ not break for McCain (ignoring all the other reasons, of course)? Just a check on that specific line of thought…no reason to indulge in _unwarranted_ optimism, after all. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1083 "2008-10-07T22:06:44Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > Perhaps it was his anti-immigrant ad campaign, which was essentially “the evil brown people are sneaking into this country and destroying the American way of life”? For the out of towners, the infamous “chopper ad”: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nst-aXvdrR4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nst-aXvdrR4) Note that there are 10,000 illegal aliens entering the country every day, or 3,650,000 every year. 36,500,000 every decade! That means that, of the roughly 12 million illegals in the US, ALL of them entered the country in the past three years. No wonder you can’t sit down on your own sofa without having to push aside two or three of them! Local talk said even his campaign tried to get him to revise that number to something more realistic, but Jim was stubborn. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1084 "2008-10-07T22:30:23Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Is that overflow from another media market? If McCain is spending money in Utah, I’d be really, really worried about his planning. Given that Utah is between Nevada and Colorado… Also, watch the next Texas poll. I’m betting that Clinton’s stumping for Noriega is also going to narrow the gap for Obama. It’s already less than 10… ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1085 "2008-10-07T22:38:24Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Is that overflow from another media market? If McCain is spending money in Utah, I’d be really, really worried about his planning. > > In Illinois here and scheduled to go to IN in a couple weeks. Of course, NW Indiana is already pretty heavily canvassed so I’m not sure where they’ll send me. I assume the Obama Indiana Machine has its plans. I’ll be carpooling from New York to Pennsylvania every weekend until the election to canvass. It’s the least I can do since I’m unemployed and can’t afford to give much more money. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1086 "2008-10-07T23:20:07Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > For the out of towners, the infamous “chopper ad”: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nst-aXvdrR4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nst-aXvdrR4) > > Note that there are 10,000 illegal aliens entering the country every day, or 3,650,000 every year. 36,500,000 every decade! That means that, of the roughly 12 million illegals in the US, ALL of them entered the country in the past three years. No wonder you can’t sit down on your own sofa without having to push aside two or three of them! > > Local talk said even his campaign tried to get him to revise that number to something more realistic, but Jim was stubborn. We must give the Republicans credit for slowing the illegal immigration rate. [Link](http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/02/pew.immigration/). It turns out all you have to do is to make the US economy worse than Mexico’s, and no one comes. Heck of a job, Pubbies. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1087 "2008-10-08T00:12:34Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > I think you’re letting your optimism cloud your thinking – it’s not clear to me how that makes sense. > > If the republican conservatives aren’t happy, one would think it’s because McCain is **not** as conservative as they’d like. Why would this (and this alone) lead you to think that fence sitters – presumably, who would _like_ a less conservative candidate – would _also_ not break for McCain (ignoring all the other reasons, of course)? > > Just a check on that specific line of thought…no reason to indulge in _unwarranted_ optimism, after all. 😃 I’m thinking that it may be more along the lines of his campaign being a shambles, and failing to give _anyone_ any enthusiasm for McCain/Palin. If the people who are predisposed to vote for him come hell or high water can’t even pretend to like it, the people who haven’t yet committed to either side aren’t going to find anything there that’ll make them break his way either. I’m half expecting to see the avowed racist demographic start slipping away from McCain any day now. (More seriously, I’ve noticed the West Virginia polls seem to have slowly gotten less red. Miss “I’ve had enough of Hoo-sayn” might just be pulling the lever for Obama by Nov.) ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1088 "2008-10-08T00:19:45Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > No, no. Stay in MO. McCain has already bailed on MI. Misourri definitely needs it, but I’m building my volunteer capacity every day. We need to make sure that the seeds of intolerance don’t take root. You do that by keeping up the pace and talking to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-mccain-forked-yet/450604/1089 "2008-10-08T00:51:02Z")
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