# Is modern Islamic antisemitism different than historical Islamic anti-semitism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 10, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-modern-islamic-antisemitism-different-than-historical-islamic-anti-semitism/585026 "2011-06-10T20:57:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-modern-islamic-antisemitism-different-than-historical-islamic-anti-semitism/585026/41 "2011-06-15T12:41:29Z")
> [@Sablicious](#): > > Pure, unadulterated, literally interpreted Islam (_i.e._, true Islam) is anti EVERYTHING. > > The key tenet of Islamic teaching is to disseminate ‘The Way’ Allah (through Mohammad) decrees and to expunge any opposition to this obtrusion of the Islamic belief system. \*\* In other words, Islam tolerates no compromise regards its position as the only true religion (whatever that means) and thus is wholly intolerant of any other theological doctrine, and indeed, anything that does not fall within the guidelines of Islamic precepts;\*\* like homosexuality, a female’s ‘inferior’ status in society, the religion’s extreme take on ‘blasphemy’ et cetera. > > This, in fact, is why the coined term ‘moderate Muslim’ is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. There are either Islamist or failed, ‘wannabe’ Muslims; who are likely only a rung or two above your average infidel or ‘fag’ on the lapidation ladder **¹**. A moderate Muslim is like a paedophile catholic priest **²** – a contradiction. > > This is an integral aspect to understanding why it’s seemingly impossible to reach consonance with Islamic cultures regarding democracy, equality, tolerance and the like – to do so, for them, would be in effect a forsaking of the fundamental trait that makes them a follower of Islam. > > Islam = intolerance. (Lit., ‘submission’). Thus it follows that this must be the starting point whenever addressing issues relating to this particular fictitious belief system, if an understanding as to the oftentimes incongruous, barbaric and Neanderthal nature of Islam is to be attained. > **¹** In Sharia law, homosexuals, if convicted, are drawn and quartered, not stoned. My bad! :smack: > **²** Frequenters / admirers / lovers of Afghani ‘Dancing Boys’ are given a pass in regards the aforementioned ‘rending’. Apparently _bacha bazi_ (child love) is an exception to thus same sex rule. Though female, Aisha would attest to this fact also. You’re completely correct. That’s why the Hindus, Christians and Jews weren’t allowed to live within the Islamic lands and were simply slaughtered out of hand, in contrast to the Christian countries of that time period which welcomed Muslims with open arms. Similarly, that’s why a Christian isn’t the President of Turkey, while many Christian countries have Muslims heading their parliaments. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-modern-islamic-antisemitism-different-than-historical-islamic-anti-semitism/585026/42 "2011-06-15T12:55:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you saying that you are a Muslim? Er yes. It’s been said before and never hidden. You do notice my username don’t you? I’m certainly not a terribly devout one but I am one. > [@](#): > > Because I’m pretty sure I have always held the view that muslims have had problems with zionism since at least the end of WWI and **probably even before** that but I think there was a distinct shift with the growth of the zionist movement. “Probably even before that”?:dubious: Dude, under the Islamic rule Jews were required to wear distinctive clothing, not allowed to build new synagogues, forbidden to ride horse and only ride donkeys, forbidden to testify against Muslims in court and forced to pay special taxes. Next you’re going to say that anti-black racism in the US “probably” existed before the 20th Century. > [@](#): > > How the hell is a hypothetical like this EVER demostrably false? Or do you have a special definition of demonstrable that I am not aware of? > > You are hypothesizing about the psychology of all the muslims in the middle east. I’ve heard this theory before, it comes down to, arabs don’t mind getting beaten by Christians but beign beaten by Jews is unbearable. > > How is this more than theory and hypothesis? How does this provide demonstrable proof in any way? > > You are simply coming up with a theory that undercuts the notion that arab muslims are ticked about the creation of the state of israel. > > Maybe there is something to the theory but you convert you are trying to convert your theory into fact. Er, the Armenians put your theory to the test when they formed their own nation and promptly invaded Azerbaijan, piled up a ton of Muslim corpses, created a ton of Muslim refugees and most of the World’s nations didn’t even notice. If you’d read my original post you’d have noticed I mentioned them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-modern-islamic-antisemitism-different-than-historical-islamic-anti-semitism/585026/43 "2011-06-15T13:04:09Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Dude, under the Islamic rule Jews were required to wear distinctive clothing, not allowed to build new synagogues, forbidden to ride horse and only ride donkeys, forbidden to testify against Muslims in court and forced to pay special taxes. I know that during the “Golden Age” in Spain they were required to wear identifying clothing and let a Muslim have right of way on the sidewalk, but did the other things you mentioned occur there and then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-modern-islamic-antisemitism-different-than-historical-islamic-anti-semitism/585026.md?page=2)