Those are all good points, but they seem to me to make it clear that the reason for the duopoly (two and only two parties) has much more to do with the presidential-congressional system than it does with FPTP.
Voting for “third parties” can make sense in a parliamentary system, because they can hold power to some extent in a minority system, and also allow for expression of regional interests, if that is what people want.
I couldn’t really find or think of a good thread for Chris Christie saying he’s going to to declare himself for Republican presidential candidate. I couldn’t think about it since I’m laughing so hard!
The only one who might have a chance is Tim Scott. Maybe.
If Tim Scott is considered a “moderate Republican,” the Overton window has officially slid all the way to the end of the political spectrum and is dangling on the precipice.
No, the time was in 2015/2016. Instead they decided to keep quiet and put up with it, so their party could enjoy the power.
Their party is now the party of Trump and doesn’t care about them or supposed moderation
Bit late, but the UK has been a mostly a two-parties-alternating system since the 1850s or so (with a period of instability in the 20s as the Liberals split and were replaced by Labour, which nearly happened in reverse in the 80s).
We’ve certainly had periods when Labour activists pushed the party into unelectable extreme positions, but comprehensive defeat eventually moved them back to the mainstream. Generally our Conservatives have been the pragmatic “natural party of government”, but since they’ve been running scared of the fruitcakes like Farage, there are worrying signs of some of them being dragged towards the US-style right.
Culturally if not organisationally, French politics have been deeply divided, ever since the Revolution. And politics in Germany today is fashioned deliberately to counteract the divisions of the past.
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No way in hell would they nominate Tim Scott. The base is racist and they would never nominate a minority.
He’s been nominated by South Carolina Republicans multiple times in both House and Senate races. Unless you mean to imply that South Carolina Republican primary voters are just more enlightened when it comes to race.
That’s actually a good question. SC Republicans could easily find a white guy just as conservative as Scott- so why does he get nominated It’s not that SC Republicans are more open minded, but for some reason they not only voted for Scott but for Haley as well. But more typical are people like Tommy Tuberville (R-Auburn) who put a hold on the nomination of a black general as Pentagon head.
The party as a whole seems to have disproportionate numbers of racists so I would be totally flabbergasted if a minority ever got the presidential nomination.
Can Republican moderates ever take control? Not if they insist on having a number of sane candidates running for the presidency. Just like in 2016, the sane vote will be split and all of the batshit vote will go to the Orange Menace.
What if that minority – as I assume Scott does – takes consistently anti-BLM views and denies that racism has any impact in today’s society? It gives those racist claims extra credibility (cuz, you know, a black guy would know better than anyone, amirite?) and at the same time lets the racists say, “I’m not racist – I support Tim Scott!”
If that officer had been overheard saying he had voted for Trump, Tuberville wouldn’t have put on that hold.
Well, even today, the racists know you have to have a few minorities around as cover. So, they’ll put a few in offices that have just enough power to look good, but which can still be controlled by the threat of primarying them, or cutting off their funding. But the top job? Unlikely.
What are his arguments and are those arguments wrong?
Well, I wouldn’t assume.
I’ve read enough to know he doesn’t deny that racism has any impact in today’s society.
As to the consistency of his views on BLM, or anything else, that requires reading all his statements. I’m not volunteering.
I don’t think Scott is a moderate in the same way Arlen Specter, who voted with his party about half the time, was a moderate. I also remember when there were not just moderate Republicans, but liberal Republicans.
Tim Scott is a partisan conservative Republican, albeit less extreme than DeSantis.
The GOP will go moderate when non-moderates start consistently losing. It happened where I live (Chester County PA) and would happen nationally if the GOP had a similar national collapse.
They do not really want to take control back. They publicly regret what has happened, but privately they rejoice in finding suckers to do their dirty work for them. They put on their frowny faces and occasionally vote with the Democrats once it has been determined that the numbers are such that a couple of votes across the aisle won’t really be effective. As long as the radical side gets them the power they want they will continue to be “Good Cops”, in that they won’t do the dirty work but they also won’t effectively do anything to stop it.
His best chance to get nominated is as VP. Sarah Palin made it.
~Max
Because 1) he says and does the right things according to a majority of S.C. Republican voters, and 2) there’s the added benefit of making them feel good about themselves (“see, I’m not a racist, some of my favorite politicians are black!”).
Whether that’s a formula for success on a national basis is another matter.
Trump was the incumbent then, so getting rid of the primary was more or less acceptable- everyone knew trump would win. . He is not one in 2024. There will be a GOP primary.
Likely, there wont be much of a Dem primary in 2024 either.
It seems like Multiple parties is a Good Idea, but in actuality, it doesnt work any better than two parties. Look at GB with Brexit and Boris, or Israel with that crook Netanyahu .
Because they are really two party systems also, since one party forms a coalition to get the majority to elect the PM.
Yep.
…this was an old post you are responding too, but I never claimed there won’t be a GOP Primary. Just that there won’t be a centrist GOP candidate coming to “reclaim the party.” We are SO far beyond that now.
Yeah, and if anyone thinks the national GOP organization is too taken over by the wingnut faction, they haven’t seen the state-by-state organizations, where that battle would have to get fought.