Is Obama all that different from other Presidents?

[Dick_Dastardly]

@Procrustus

It’s an article of faith, they can’t actually explain it.

It would be nice to get a reply though. This forum is called “Great Debates” but for a lot of posters it’s “Great Debates To Run Away From.”

[marshmallow]

@2sense

In order to understand the political dynamic in America the important thing to remember is that the public doesn’t support anything on the Republican agenda.

This isn’t true.

But even if it was, and it may be for some specific cases, that’s the beauty of a 2-party system. If the “other side” gets elected just have them do it instead. Good cop, bad cop.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Raskolnikov

did they not pass the HC bill on Reconciliation? i.e. 50 votes

"The PPACA passed the Senate on December 24, 2009, by a filibuster-proof vote of 60–39 with all Democrats and one Independent voting for, and all Republicans voting against. It passed the House of Representatives on March 21, 2010, by a vote of 219–212, with 178 Republicans and 34 Democrats voting against the bill.[4] "

Affordable Care Act

You might be thinking of the Bush tax cuts which were passed by reconciliation in the senate. They also used the 10 year sunset to get around the PAYGO rules.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Qin_Shi_Huangdi

Most of those Congressmen lost to Republicans not more liberal Democrats.

They didn’t get primariedd but the liberal democrats didn’t show up on election day.

The swing in the mid term election wasn’t the result of swing voters switching to the republican side of things, it was the result of lots of Republicans coming out to vote and not so many Democrats coming out to vote.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Shodan

The apex reached under Obama is the deficit, and there he is off the map.

And this notion that he is hated more than Bush was hated is more than mildly ridiculous for anyone who has been a member her for longer than three years. The excuse that Obama is hated because he is black is just that, an excuse, and an attempt to put him above criticism.

Regards,
Shodan

On THIS BOARD Obama does not receive anywhere near the hatred that Bush received. But to be fair, Bush probably got mroe hate than Obama in general.

Not everyone that hates Obama hates him because he is a racist but a lot of them do. The tea party has some racist elements and the birthers are rife with racists

[Damuri_Ajashi]

You guys must be getting tired correcting Susanan on facts (not principles or theory btu facts)?