# Is offering tea and biscuits to bigots a good idea **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 30, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670 "2013-05-30T00:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/61 "2013-06-08T05:34:06Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Magiver** , you still haven’t answered the most important question I asked. Your experience at the mosque was over twelve years ago. The cite that you provided about **one** jihadist suggesting destroying the pyramids and other ancient Egyptian relics is recent **news**. **How did you manage to ask a question about something that wasn’t to happen for twelve more years?** Yes, I specifically asked about the Pyramids of Egypt 12 years ago. That was at a time when the Egyptian government would arrest people who espoused such fundamental dogma. > [@Zoe](#): > > On this issue of the pyramids, you did not quote the leader. You said you received a blank stare. Yes, that’s an accurate statement. Now you can interpret that how you like but I took it as the realization that the Pyramids fell into the same category. Otherwise he would have said they did not fall into the same category. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/62 "2013-06-08T10:40:55Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It’s still in fairly common use in the UK (as is Oriental, for that matter.) Not sure that “half-caste” is fairly common - I don’t think I’ve ever heard it used - but “Oriental” does get an occasional outing. I think the latter still has some use because generally when British people use “Asian” it means Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi. ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/63 "2013-06-08T11:07:42Z")
Surely the EDL and those who think and act in similar ways are the natural and inevitable response of a people fed up with murderous terrorist attacks and raping of thousands underage English girls by grooming gangs? It should also be noted that most violence at EDL protests comes from their opposition, the UAF (which receives funding from unions and government bodies), as, for example, with their recent demonstration in London. The media, however, hardly report these things, and merely wish to paint the EDL as thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/64 "2013-06-08T15:39:50Z")
> [@Lauren-C](#): > > Surely the EDL and those who think and act in similar ways are the natural and inevitable response of a people fed up with murderous terrorist attacks and raping of thousands underage English girls by grooming gangs? > > It should also be noted that most violence at EDL protests comes from their opposition, the UAF (which receives funding from unions and government bodies), as, for example, with their recent demonstration in London. The media, however, hardly report these things, and merely wish to paint the EDL as thugs. The KKK of course justified most of their lynchings by claiming the black men were guilty of raping white women. Thank you for providing further evidence that the EDL are simply the Chav answer to the KKK. ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/65 "2013-06-08T15:54:51Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > The KKK of course justified most of their lynchings by claiming the black men were guilty of raping white women. > > Thank you for providing further evidence that the EDL are simply the Chav answer to the KKK. Why don’t you address the cause of the problem, rather than the symptom? Why is it that men from Muslim backgrounds form paedophile rape gangs? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/66 "2013-06-08T16:35:34Z")
> [@Lauren-C](#): > > Surely the EDL and those who think and act in similar ways are the natural and inevitable response of a people fed up with murderous terrorist attacks and raping of thousands underage English girls by grooming gangs? Why are you so sure of that? > [@](#): > > It should also be noted that most violence at EDL protests comes from their opposition, the UAF (which receives funding from unions and government bodies), as, for example, with their recent demonstration in London. Do tell. What “funding” is it they receive from the government, by the way? > [@](#): > > The media, however, hardly report these things, and merely wish to paint the EDL as thugs. Ah, the old “the media doesn’t report the truth” canard. So, if the media’s not reporting what you assert are facts, how then do you know these supposed facts? What are your sources? Why do you consider those sources credible? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/67 "2013-06-08T16:37:29Z")
> [@Lauren-C](#): > > Why is it that men from Muslim backgrounds form paedophile rape gangs? Here’s a concept: provide proof of your assertion. Can you do that? ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/68 "2013-06-08T16:51:48Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why are you so sure of that? > > Do tell. What “funding” is it they receive from the government, by the way? > > Ah, the old “the media doesn’t report the truth” canard. So, if the media’s not reporting what you assert are facts, how then do you know these supposed facts? What are your sources? Why do you consider those sources credible? If you believe the media report the truth you are sadly deluded. Google the recent EDL march in London and you’ll find most reports saying that 58 people were arrested during the event. But look closer and you’ll find a couple of reports admitting that the people arrested were from the UAF. Another case in point, the recent burning of the mosque in London. The words EDL have supposedly been found, but why are hardly any of the reports mentioning the theory that it was an inside insurance job? In contrast, they fell over themselves to point the finger at the EDL when the word “Islam” was scrawled on a war memorial. The sources of UAF funding are many and varied, including trades unions, various self-styled anti-racism councils (such bodies regularly receive local council grants), the Socialist Worker’s Party, and many others. On a recent demonstration the UAF carried Jihadist flags. ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/69 "2013-06-08T16:54:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Here’s a concept: provide proof of your assertion. Can you do that? > **[Sign in - Google Accounts](https://accounts.google.com/v3/signin/identifier?continue=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fd%2Fedit%3Fmid%3D1af0nJVme4eB5imSaADSfBeZ5zGc%26msa%3D0%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF8%26t%3Dm%26ll%3D53.317749%2C-2.15332%26spn%3D6.302993%2C14.0625%26z%3D6%26source%3Dembed&followup=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fd%2Fedit%3Fmid%3D1af0nJVme4eB5imSaADSfBeZ5zGc%26msa%3D0%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF8%26t%3Dm%26ll%3D53.317749%2C-2.15332%26spn%3D6.302993%2C14.0625%26z%3D6%26source%3Dembed&hl=en&ifkv=AXH0vVvkDEebAcdb9j-hMSLCteNNqVyQYePZu1C_q_JIMsM-9kOwn1XfhpFTeFzSnr3O2Mp-EV2D&passive=1209600&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=ServiceLogin&dsh=S1008883866%3A1743252579254321)** ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/70 "2013-06-08T17:59:20Z")
> [@Lauren-C](#): > > [https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200789920456955207686.0004cb17d64c10467d5ab&msa=0&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=53.317749,-2.15332&spn=6.302993,14.0625&z=6&source=embed](https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200789920456955207686.0004cb17d64c10467d5ab&msa=0&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=53.317749,-2.15332&spn=6.302993,14.0625&z=6&source=embed) That’s hardly a reliable cite. Beyond that, I don’t really see a reason to continue this discussion, because little is gained by arguing with racists. And please don’t play the victim card. People that rant about gangs of blacks raping white women are racists and the same is true of people squealing about Muslim rape gangs, particularly those who depend on racist hate sites for their information. ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/71 "2013-06-08T18:02:23Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > That’s hardly a reliable cite. > > Beyond that, I don’t really see a reason to continue this discussion, because little is gained by arguing with racists. > > And please don’t play the victim card. People that rant about gangs of blacks raping white women are racists and the same is true of people squealing about Muslim rape gangs, particularly those who depend on racist hate sites for their information. So you deny it’s happening then? This won’t work, I’m afraid. If these people, the EDL for example, are racist, why do they have no problem with Sikhs and Hindus? The time has now past when simply shouting RACIST at your opponents will stifle any debate. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/72 "2013-06-08T18:08:14Z")
So, basically a non-answer, coupled with an accusation about my intelligence, and more racist drivel? Maybe you missed a couple of signposts on your trip here. One said “Fighting Ignorance” and the other said “Great Debates”. Neither said, “Racist Drivel.” But, hey, you’ve managed to “one-up” the KKK on one thing. Instead of spewing, “They’re raping our women!” you’e spouting, “They’re raping our little girls!” ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/73 "2013-06-08T18:13:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, basically a non-answer, coupled with an accusation about my intelligence, and more racist drivel? Maybe you missed a couple of signposts on your trip here. One said “Fighting Ignorance” and the other said “Great Debates”. Neither said, “Racist Drivel.” The bias of the media is blatantly obvious. They always make the EDL out to be thugs, and hardly ever report their position. Are you aware, for example, that both the EDL and BNP have strongly condemned any use of violence? Are you aware that the EDL organised 55 peaceful marches up and down the country a week ago? This is what the establishment don’t want you to know. You have been misled, I’m sorry to say. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/74 "2013-06-08T18:35:23Z")
> [@Lauren-C](#): > > So you deny it’s happening then? This won’t work, I’m afraid. > > If these people, the EDL for example, are racist, why do they have no problem with Sikhs and Hindus? > > The time has now past when simply shouting RACIST at your opponents will stifle any debate. I assume you also insist that Hitler wasn’t a racist because he had no problems with Arabs or Japanese. Sorry, but yes people who squeal about black and/or Muslim rape gangs are racists. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/75 "2013-06-08T18:43:04Z")
And people who write racist graffiti on mosques are racists and are not peaceful. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/76 "2013-06-08T18:46:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, basically a non-answer, coupled with an accusation about my intelligence, and more racist drivel? Maybe you missed a couple of signposts on your trip here. One said “Fighting Ignorance” and the other said “Great Debates”. Neither said, “Racist Drivel.” But, hey, you’ve managed to “one-up” the KKK on one thing. Instead of spewing, “They’re raping our women!” you’e spouting, “They’re raping our little girls!” cites were asked for and given. At this point you either have to prove them wrong or sidestep them with an argument that they are the result of: poverty, culture,… other. Let me start it for you. It’s not the religion, it’s the culture. I’ll give a cite, Frontlines “[The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/)”. Add some references to Catholic priests or the Inquisition and you have an actual point. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/77 "2013-06-08T22:50:09Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, basically a non-answer, coupled with an accusation about my intelligence, and more racist drivel? Maybe you missed a couple of signposts on your trip here. One said “Fighting Ignorance” and the other said “Great Debates”. Neither said, “Racist Drivel.” But, hey, you’ve managed to “one-up” the KKK on one thing. Instead of spewing, “They’re raping our women!” you’e spouting, “They’re raping our little girls!” Calm down, he’s referencing real events and giving reasons why it isn’t racist. You have a right to disagree with them, but you must respond to him thoughtfully and not just insult him. ---
**Author:** ![Lauren-C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lauren-C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauren-C)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/78 "2013-06-08T23:09:43Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I assume you also insist that Hitler wasn’t a racist because he had no problems with Arabs or Japanese. > > Sorry, but yes people who squeal about black and/or Muslim rape gangs are racists. Hitler was an ally of Muslims, and many Muslims have expressed admiration for Hitler. Nazis and Muslims have many things in common, such as a hatred of Jews, a militaristic, totalitarian philosophy, and a cult-like adherence to a single charismatic figure and his holy book. > **[Amin al-Husseini | In Nazi-occupied Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husseini#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe)** > > Al-Husseini arrived in Rome on 10 October 1941. He outlined his proposals before Ubaldo Alberto Mellini Ponce de León. On condition that the Axis powers "recognize in principle the unity, independence, and sovereignty, of an Arab state, including Iraq, Syria, Palestine, and Transjordan", he offered support in the war against Britain and stated his willingness to discuss the issues of "the Holy Places, Lebanon, the Suez Canal, and Aqaba". The Italian foreign ministry approved al-Husseini's proposa... As for Muslim paedophile rape gangs, the cases are legion. > **[Rochdale child sex abuse ring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang)** > > The Rochdale child sex abuse ring targeted underage teenage girls in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, England. Nine men were convicted of sex trafficking and other offences including rape, trafficking girls for sex and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child in May 2012. This resulted in Greater Manchester Police launching Operation Doublet and other operations to investigate further claims of abuse. As of January 2024 a total of 42 men had been convicted resulting in jail sentences t... > **[Derby child sex abuse ring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang)** > > The Derby child sex abuse ring was a group of men who sexually abused up to a hundred girls in Derby, England. In 2010, after an undercover investigation by Derbyshire police, members of the ring were charged with 75 offences relating to 26 girls. Nine of the 13 accused were convicted of grooming and raping girls between 12 and 18 years old. The attacks provoked fierce discussion about race and sexual exploitation. > The thirteen men lived throughout Derby and the police believed they met throug... > **[Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_sex_grooming_case)** > > From the late 1980s until 2013, group-based child sexual exploitation affected an estimated 1,400 girls, commonly from care home backgrounds, in the town of Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England. Between 1997 and 2013, girls were abused by "grooming gangs" of predominantly British-Pakistani men. Researcher Angie Heal, who was hired by local officials and warned them about child exploitation occurring between 2002 and 2007, has since described it as the "biggest child protection scandal Evidence... > **[Oxford child sex abuse ring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang)** > > The Oxford child sex abuse ring was a group of 22 men who were convicted of various sexual offences against underage girls in the English city of Oxford between 1998 and 2012. Thames Valley Police launched Operation Bullfinch in May 2011 to investigate allegations of historical sexual abuse, leading to ten men being convicted. Upon further allegations in 2015, Thames Valley Police then launched Operation Silk, resulting in ten more men being convicted and Operation Spur which resulted in two mo... > **[Telford child sexual exploitation scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang)** > > The Telford child sexual exploitation scandal is an ongoing scandal spanning over several decades in the United Kingdom involving a group of men who were convicted of engaging in sexual contact with local female minors between 2007 and 2009 in Telford in the English county of Shropshire. While media reports had suggested there were 100 or more victims and around 200 suspects, the Sunday Mirror reported in March 2018 that up to 1,000 may have been affected, with some even murdered However, accor... > **[Sydney gang rapes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes)** > > The Sydney gang rapes were a series of gang rape attacks committed by a group of up to 14 youths led by Bilal Skaf against Australian women and teenage girls (2 with Italian parents, 1 with Greek parents and one Aboriginal Australian girl), as young as 14, in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia across several days in 2000. The crimes, described as ethnically motivated hate crimes by one columnist, were covered extensively by the news media, and prompted the passing of new laws. In 2002, th A fur... ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/79 "2013-06-08T23:24:51Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > Calm down, he’s referencing real events and giving reasons why it isn’t racist. > > You have a right to disagree with them, but you must respond to him thoughtfully and not just insult him. What makes you think “Lauren-C” is a “him”? Beyond that, referring to someone as a racist is not necessarily an insult. In fact, calling someone a racist who rants about Muslim child rape gangs and who’s cite for this is “Kaffir [Crusaders.com](http://Crusaders.com)” is a statement of fact. Unless of course one wants to insist that white idiots who rant about gangs of black rapists running around the US raping white women aren’t rapists. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670/80 "2013-06-08T23:27:17Z")
> [@Lauren-C](#): > > Hitler was an ally of Muslims. So then by your standards he wasn’t a racist since you insist the EDL can’t be racist because, supposedly, they don’t hate Sikhs or Hindus? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-offering-tea-and-biscuits-to-bigots-a-good-idea/659670.md?page=5)