# Is OJ Simpson innocent or guilty? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313 "2018-08-09T01:19:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/81 "2018-08-15T21:19:41Z")
Robert Kardashian was not working as a lawyer when the murders happened , he was working in a regular business job. He had to re-activate his law license to help in the OJ trial. Yes I recall the letter OJ wrote before the Bronco chase, it was Robert Kardashian who read that letter on TV. OJ was staying at his house before he was going to turn himself in. ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/82 "2018-08-15T21:53:06Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Robert Kardashian was not working as a lawyer when the murders happened , he was working in a regular business job. He had to re-activate his law license to help in the OJ trial. Yes I recall the letter OJ wrote before the Bronco chase, it was Robert Kardashian who read that letter on TV. OJ was staying at his house before he was going to turn himself in. The speculation was Kardashian also needed to reactivate and become OJ’s attorney to avoid testifying. Kardashian received possessions from OJ immediately after the murders occurred (a Louis Vuitton garment bag in particular), and some believed it contained incriminating evidence including the murder weapon. To date, the knife in question has never been found. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/83 "2018-08-16T09:59:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Some of the evidence isn’t susceptible to being planted, like the bloody Bruno Magli shoe prints in OJ’s size, of which only 29 pairs were sold in the US, and which it was later established that OJ lied about wearing. > > Or the blood on the paws of Nicole Brown’s dog, which a neighbor discovered before the body was discovered. That neighbor then gave the dog to a different neighbor, who took it for a walk around midnight, and the dog led him back to Nicole’s house where the bodies were discovered. The neighbor who discovered the bodies then flagged down a passing patrol car. The officer in that car, a Robert Riske, testified that he found one bloody glove. IOW the first officer the neighbor found was racist enough to falsify evidence by saying there was one glove, not two, on ten minutes’ notice. > > So apparently the neighbors were in on it, because they either planted the blood on the dog’s paws, or lied about finding it, and so was the first officer on the scene, and so were the 16 other officers on the scene, and so was Fuhrman and so was the other detective, and so were the DNA techs. And they could travel thru time to plant blood evidence that hadn’t been collected yet. > > Or else OJ Simpson was guilty as Cain. > > Regards, > Shodan You seem to be assuming that it’s an either-or. As I said, I’m pretty sure OJ did it; I just wasn’t clear whether police could have tampered with any of the key evidence. This premise doesn’t require them to have manufactured _all_ of it; merely to have moved key pieces around to implicate OJ more strongly. But your and **Moriarty** ’s point is taken; there doesn’t appear to have been any opportunity to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/84 "2018-08-16T12:24:50Z")
I think Kardashian got the garment bag from OJ at the airport when he got back from Chicago. He flew there the same night as the murders and flew back when he was told Nicole was dead. Another interesting fact is when the police told him via phone his ex wife was dead he never asked them what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/85 "2018-08-16T13:12:49Z")
He also never asked WHICH ex-wife. He has two, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/86 "2018-08-16T13:53:04Z")
seems like the police would have said your ex-wife Nicole Brown is dead, but maybe they left her name off to see his reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/87 "2018-08-16T14:09:53Z")
Probably. His response should have been “Which one? Nicole or Marguerite?” He also did not ask if his children were okay, which any normal innocent person would have done. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/88 "2018-08-16T14:17:25Z")
yes the police leave out details when they tell you things about a crime or potential crime to see your reaction. My GF had the police show up a few years back and start asking questions about her former roommate. They eventually told her the person was dead and it was likely a suicide which they later verified it as suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/89 "2018-08-17T20:22:46Z")
I still think the thoughts in OJ’s mind that he knows whether he is guilty or not and hopefully the guilt, will consume him until the day he dies. He has never been the same. People never look at him the same. His family will never be treated the same.\ Not guilty does not mean innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/90 "2018-08-19T15:05:17Z")
the other day OJ said “Being a felon is not so bad” even though he did 8 years in prison for the robbery. He seems to be back to his partying ways in Las Vegas now from all reports. I doubt he worries about being guilty of 2 murders. He figures he beat the murder charges and he’s not paying the money from the civil suit. Maybe he will screw up again and wind up back in prison for something else but i don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Lorne\_Armstrong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@Lorne\_Armstrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorne_Armstrong)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/91 "2018-08-21T07:31:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And when the allegedly racist LAPD arrested OJ for beating up Nicole, they treated him with kid gloves. He pleaded no contest. > > So when he puts her in the hospital, they treat him fairly. When he kills her, they frame him out of racism. Seems a little inconsistent to me. > > Read the [note OJ left](http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/suspect/note/). If I were being framed for something I didn’t do, I think I would mention it in my suicide note and not say “don’t feel sorry for me. I’ve had a great life…” > > Regards, > Shodan It was also the “racist” cop Mark Furman who responded to the domestic dispute where OJ beat up Nicole. Furman saw it was OJ, was in awe, and pretty much treated OJ like a hero. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/92 "2018-08-21T14:17:26Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > He also never asked WHICH ex-wife. He has two, you know? Where are you getting this from? ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/93 "2018-08-23T17:32:08Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > Where are you getting this from? are you questioning whether he was married twice? It’s an easily verifiable fact. He had three kids with his first wife. He cheated on her with Nicole. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/94 "2018-08-23T17:52:23Z")
> [@chula](#): > > are you questioning whether he was married twice? It’s an easily verifiable fact. He had three kids with his first wife. He cheated on her with Nicole. I think he’s questioning the issue that the the police told him that his wife died and he didn’t ask which one. If I recall correctly (and I could be wrong) I thought they told him right from the start that Nicole died, and didn’t leave the “which wife” question open. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/95 "2018-08-23T18:01:24Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I think he’s questioning the issue that the the police told him that his wife died and he didn’t ask which one. If I recall correctly (and I could be wrong) I thought they told him right from the start that Nicole died, and didn’t leave the “which wife” question open. This is from Wiki, but > [@](#): > > Detective Ron Phillips testified that when he called Simpson in Chicago to tell him of his ex-wife’s murder, he sounded shocked and upset, but did not ask about how she died. So, not “which ex-wife” but “how she died” - i.e. he already knew that she had been murdered (presumably) without being told. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/96 "2018-08-23T18:25:23Z")
> **[COP: SIMPSON DIDN'T ASK HOW EX-WIFE DIED](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-02-17-9502170194-story.html)** "I said . . . `I have some bad news for you. Your ex-wife, Nicole Simpson, has been killed,' " Phillips testified Thursday about the five-minute conversation. "The first words out of his mouth were, `Oh, my God, Nicole is killed. Oh, my God, she’s dead,’ " the detective recalled. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/97 "2018-08-23T20:11:14Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > He also did not ask if his children were okay, which any normal innocent person would have done. During the call, Ron Phillips told OJ that his children were safe at the police station. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/98 "2018-08-23T20:26:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This is from Wiki, but So, not “which ex-wife” but “how she died” - i.e. he already knew that she had been murdered (presumably) without being told. Not asking how she was killed isn’t quite as suspicious as not asking which ex-wife is dead, IMHO. Annie has a habit of posting dubious “facts” or plain wrong ones (another corrected in the post above mine) for her not to get called on it. Not that I expected her to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/99 "2018-08-23T21:37:37Z")
Well, hello It’s been a long while, but that “fact” was aired on the Imus in the Morning radio show. If it’s wrong, blame Don Imus. OJ promised to find the “real killer.” ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313/100 "2018-08-23T21:59:58Z")
BTW the case is not open by the LAPD , they say OJ did it and there is no reason to keep the case open to waste time on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-oj-simpson-innocent-or-guilty/819313.md?page=6)