# Is patriotism a virtue or vice or something else?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [July 4, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-patriotism-a-virtue-or-vice-or-something-else/501899 "2009-07-04T15:55:47Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-patriotism-a-virtue-or-vice-or-something-else/501899/21 "2009-07-06T18:22:45Z")

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> [@Hari\_Seldon](#):
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> When patriotism edges over into nationalism, it is definitely a vice. The kind of lily-livered patriotism that used to cause me joy when the Montreal Expos won something is harmless but also meaningless. Once they took the team away, I no longer cared.

Wait, the Expos aren’t playing in Montreal anymore? When did this happen?

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