# Is President Bush irredeemable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669 "2007-02-03T15:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/21 "2007-02-03T21:52:35Z")
[QUOTE=athelas] What about the $1 coin? [/QUOTE] Let’s see…a bit of shiny, distracting metal symbolic of the cornerstone of our economic system which it so unhelpful in our day-to-day lives that the public has been adamant in our disgust with it’s implementation, yet The Powers That Be keep insisting they know better than we and keep repackaging the same “solutions” that never actually address our problems - that it looks too much like another, older item and that it’s not accepted by enough outsiders? Yeah, that sounds just about right, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/22 "2007-02-03T22:11:46Z")
[QUOTE=DanBlather] Looking back, this all could have been expected. In his 2000 acceptance speech he had a real opportunity to say something like: Instead he acted like TO scoring a touchdown. [/QUOTE] At least Terrell Owens actually scores touchdowns! Bush’s presidency has been the equivalent of repeatedly running into his own end zone, lying down on the turf and screaming, “TACKLE ME! TACKLE ME!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/23 "2007-02-03T22:37:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Attending a caucus retreat today, President Bush “told Democrats in private that he empathizes with their anguish on Iraq, saying the war is ’sapping our soul,’ according to two officials who attended the session from Think Progress, a decidedly leftish site, quoting Yahoo News [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070203/ap\_on\_go\_pr\_wh/house\_democrats](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070203/ap_on_go_pr_wh/house_democrats) Offered without comment ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/24 "2007-02-03T23:04:06Z")
[QUOTE=pool] I don’t think that will happen though, I think this last part of his presidency is heading full-steam ahead into what will become an infamous and embarassing trainwreck. [/QUOTE] Actually, that’s a scary thought. (It gets _worse?_) I keep hoping that yin and yang will come back into balance and we’ll see something brighter start to happen. I don’t know exactly what, but _something_. I mean, we’re overdue, ain’t we? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/25 "2007-02-03T23:12:37Z")
Oh, shit! Does that mean we’re pregnant? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/26 "2007-02-03T23:37:20Z")
Only with meaning and pauses, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/27 "2007-02-04T00:06:19Z")
[QUOTE=Jonathan Chance] Only with meaning and pauses, my friend. [/QUOTE] Huh. What would _you_ know about menopause? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/28 "2007-02-04T00:23:04Z")
If he can restore the dead to life, and rebuild shattered families, homes, communities, and cultures, he is redeemable. So, no fucking way. His misdeeds are so monstrous as to be beyond redemption. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/29 "2007-02-04T00:37:34Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] His misdeeds are so monstrous as to be beyond redemption. [/QUOTE] Thomas Covenant, on the deck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/30 "2007-02-04T00:45:43Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Thomas Covenant, on the deck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? [/QUOTE] I don’t know. You have the advantage of me. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/31 "2007-02-04T01:01:42Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] If he can restore the dead to life, and rebuild shattered families, homes, communities, and cultures, he is redeemable. So, no fucking way. His misdeeds are so monstrous as to be beyond redemption. [/QUOTE] If he could do all that and more; if vast parades were held in his honor; if statues of him were erected in every public park in America; if his name replaced God’s in all prayers ever offered and if the ten commandments were attributed to him, I would still regard him as the sorriest piece of low rent garbage to ever hold public office, anywhere or at anytime. That’s just MHO. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/32 "2007-02-04T01:12:48Z")
The only thing liberals hate more than Bush being wrong is Bush being right. Therefore, I think there is a chance Bush can be redeemed in the eyes of the American public, but not in the black hating hearts of this board. I note with interest the fact that Harry Truman’s approval rating hit 22% at one point. Yet history has evaluated him a bit more fairly than the American public did at the time. So I’ll just bide my time and see. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/33 "2007-02-04T01:17:44Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] Therefore, I think there is a chance Bush can be redeemed in the eyes of the American public, but not in the black hating hearts of this board. [/QUOTE] Just for the hell of it, what would have to happen to justify the death and destruction that he has caused? Or do you think that he’s a pretty good president and some folks are just too blind to see it? Do you think he has done a heck of a job? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/34 "2007-02-04T01:21:16Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] So I’ll just bide my time and see. [/QUOTE] as will I. I lived through Nixon and feel that Bush 2 will be seen as the warmongering, liberty stealing , war criminal that I see him as. (edited to fix quote) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/35 "2007-02-04T01:23:39Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] The only thing liberals hate more than Bush being wrong is Bush being right… [/quote] Like I’d hate being trampled by a herd of unicorn. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/36 "2007-02-04T02:00:07Z")
[QUOTE=wring] as will I. I lived through Nixon and feel that Bush 2 will be seen as the warmongering, liberty stealing , war criminal that I see him as. [/QUOTE] What is worse to me is the realization that thanks to the past Republican congress virtually no effort was made to investigate seriously why we got into his messes, like in the past, the question had to be: why are they so afraid of being investigated? And what is there that remains hidden from the American people? Like Nixon, I do think many reprehensible items will come to light later, already one has to notice that items like the Downing Street memoes appeared **after** the first congressional report essentially said that there were no problems, but that was phase one, and that one was missing items that “curiously” would had a bearing in this thread: [http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042506/news4.html](http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042506/news4.html) > [@](#): > > Left unfinished would be a report on whether public statements and testimony about Iraq by senior U.S. government officials were substantiated by available intelligence information. Roberts also would leave unfinished another report on what Democrats have called possibly illegal activity in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, formerly headed by Douglas Feith, who is believed to have played an important role in persuading the president to invade Iraq. > > The committee may review statements by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. > > Democrats charged that the committee did almost nothing to evaluate the statements of public officials before November, when Democrats forced the Senate into closed session. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/37 "2007-02-04T02:10:21Z")
> [@](#): > > The only thing liberals hate more than Bush being wrong is Bush being right. We’re six years into the Bush administration but you’re still just guessing on that. > [@](#): > > Therefore, I think there is a chance Bush can be redeemed in the eyes of the American public, but not in the black hating hearts of this board. Equally plausible is the possibility that Bush’s remaining supporters will put down the cups of koolaid and realize the rest of us were right all along. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/38 "2007-02-04T02:32:01Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] The only thing liberals hate more than Bush being wrong is Bush being right. [/QUOTE] I can’t speak for anyone else, but should we find that Bush was actually right all along? I’d be overjoyed. Seriously. Obviously i’d be annoyed at myself for having judged the situation all wrong, but if it meant that all the bad things that have happend were done for a reason, or were the best case scenario; great! That’s much better than how it appears now. As a liberal, I take offense that you consider me so filled with hatred that I find the deaths of thousands needlessly better than the deaths of thousands needfully and Bush being right. What have I done to earn your low opinion? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/39 "2007-02-04T02:32:03Z")
I think any redemption would be worth 1/20th of a cent, which I believe is a mill (thanks, Unca Cecil). Not worth the paper it’s printed on. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/40 "2007-02-04T02:50:40Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] The only thing liberals hate more than Bush being wrong is Bush being right. [/quote] Surely you can point out your favorite example of such a thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669.md?page=3)